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Beniboybling
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I might have actually lost respect for Dooku.
I thought he was more impressive then that. erm
Well then your respect for Bane must be infinitesimally low...

http://www.comicvine.com/profile/sh...t-thread/95276/

Oh look at that, I can post links now. That is the respect thread that I drew several of my sources from, feel free to give it a good read.

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Originally posted by winebottle
Dooku would stomp Bane. Moderate difficulty at best.
If Bane struggled with Kas'im he'd most certainly struggle and be defeated by Dooku, who is not only vastly more powerful than Kas'im but IMO a marginally superior lightsaber duelist.

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Originally posted by Beniboybling
Well then your respect for Bane must be infinitesimally low...

http://www.comicvine.com/profile/sh...t-thread/95276/

Oh look at that, I can post links now. That is the respect thread that I drew several of my sources from, feel free to give it a good read.

Don't try to educate me on Darth Bane, ***.
I read all his books, comics, articles, etc. Hard to ignore them seeing emperordmb everyday in chat.
I know his placement. Seemingly you don't, and your bias below proved such.
Though I'll wait for Neph to crush you. Watching that will be delightful.


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@Beni:

Question: Why are you arguing Path of Destruction Bane vs. Dooku?


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Because he never read the other two books. (please log in to view the image)


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Originally posted by Beniboybling
Well prepare to disagree...

1. Faster and stronger? Dooku was able to keep up for a time with Grand Master Yoda, whose speed rivaled that of Darth Sidious - a Force wielder who was able to obliterate three powerful Jedi masters in seconds because he was just too damn fast. He was also able to easily hold of General Grievous, who could strike if I recall 20 something times a second at speeds fast enough to almost overwhelm Kenobi, THE master of the defensive style.

That, at its very least, surpasses Bane's rain dance feat.

He also has plenty of "moved like a blur blah blah blah" feats.


Bane's attack on Zannah in RoT had Zannah claiming that Bane was moving so fast that he appeared to be wielding a dozen lightsabers at once, a feat that Dooku has utterly unequalled. And Bane became even faster than that in DoE. Grievous striking that many times is ignoring the fact that he has 4 arms so can make quadruple the attacks if he wielded a single lightsaber. The number of lightsabers leads to that figure, not his speed.

Dooku keeping up with Yoda proves that Bane isn't going to blitz or seriously outpace him, but he's not as fast as Bane is.

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2. Lightning vastly more powerful? Bane has been recorded to have killed two non-Force sensitives with lightning, which left their bodies presumably charred and smoking.

Dooku on the other hand as killed twice that many non-Force sensitives and twice that many minor-Force sensitives (Dathomirian zabraks) - admittedly there is no evidence that they're bodies were charred, but they were killed just as quickly. If we concentrate that energy down to just two non-Force sensitives however, I have no doubt they would have received similar injuries. And on top of that Dooku has incapacitated, with but a burst of lightining, Ventress, Anakin and Sora Bulq - all powerful Force Users.

This is an accolade in particular Bane has failed to match.


Actually Bane has turned people to ash with his lightning, turned a drexl into a charred husk while disintegrating 2 riders, disintegrated stone and (I assume) plastic and melted blaster rifles while weakened.

Dooku hit those Force users under their guards. Obviously if someone was unable to block Bane's lightning with a lightsaber or was taken off-guard his lightning would take them out.

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4. Telekinesis more devasting? Bane's most impressive feat was collapsing the roof of the Lehon temple on Kas'ims head. However he required substantial time to build up that energy and was on a potent dark side nexus - and after he was exhausted.


No, Bane's best telekinetic feat was disintegrating a dozen technodroids in RoT with a flick of his wrist. He did this multiple times.

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Quinlan Vos, a powerful Force User


Lol.

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5. Greater Force Shields? We lack comparable feats so can't comment.


Bane blocked a half dozen concussion grenades with his force shields in DoE, while his power was being suppressed by the Huntress.


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I'd also like to point out that Dooku was holding off Grievous's speed when the General was only using two arms, which would cut his striking speed in half.

Hell, even POD Bane is capable of ten strikes per second, and his speed by the time of DOE is significantly greater.


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Grievous doesn't get faster by using more arms, thats silly. Whether he's using 2 or 4 his striking speed remains the same.


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Grievous doesn't get faster by using more arms, thats silly. Whether he's using 2 or 4 his striking speed remains the same.

Number of strikes per second I should say.


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Sure. But that only increases the difficulty in defending against him and how many blades you need to trace and respond to. You don't need to actually be capable of blocking twice as many attacks as you would if he was using 2 arms. Just like you don't need to be twice as fast as your opponent if they start dual wielding. It's all about positioning and skill, not speed. If you watch GG and Obi-Wan's fight in RotS, Kenobi straight up avoids a lot of the Generals attacks through superior footwork or blocks multiple strikes with only minimal saber movement.


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Sure. But that only increases the difficulty in defending against him and how many blades you need to trace and respond to. You don't need to actually be capable of blocking twice as many attacks as you would if he was using 2 arms. Just like you don't need to be twice as fast as your opponent if they start dual wielding. It's all about positioning and skill, not speed. If you watch GG and Obi-Wan's fight in RotS, Kenobi straight up avoids a lot of the Generals attacks through superior footwork or blocks multiple strikes with only minimal saber movement.

The argument made by Beniboybling was that Dooku was faster for holding off Grievous's 20 strikes per second. I was merely pointing out that that was in fact something that he never did.


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I know. I was preempting Beniboy's response and putting my thoughts about the Greivous feat out in the open. Sorry if it looked like I was railing against you.


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I know. I was preempting Beniboy's response and putting my thoughts about the Greivous feat out in the open. Sorry if it looked like I was railing against you.

That's fine. Bravo on your response to him by the way.


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There were other things I felt like replying to, like the concept that Dooku collapsing that scaffold was in any way as impressive as Bane obliterating the Lehon temple or the idea that Dooku can tk pwn Ventress even though he obviously can't in a real fight, but I wanna keep it light.


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And the fact that he seems to be comparing PoD Bane to Dooku instead of DoE.


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And the fact that he seems to be comparing PoD Bane to Dooku instead of DoE.


Yes that is odd. Was he not aware of Bane's feats in the other two books? It's odd how supposedly I'M the one who's being educated here, yet seemingly the reverse in occurring.


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Nah, he mentioned the rain feat though. However using PoD Bane struggling against Kas'im as an argument against DoE Bane is flawed.


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DoE Bane has better accolades, is just as fast, has greater force mastery, and is more skilled and unpredictable than RoT Bane. He also probably has equivalent lightning.


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Nephthys
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Emperordmb pretty much already proved all of that false with his essays on the topic.


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And unless you can actually rebut his arguments don't expect anyone to give a shit what you write either.


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