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A single elf and some birds, get it right.


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There were birds present in the battle but only Earendil was credited with Ancalagon's fall.


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[QUOTE=14786910]Originally posted by BloodRain
So why is Everest greater? The individual tails could create 5km(?) blasts, to Everests 9km height. Kurama could match the force of 5 of these.

All less than the Juubi.



Then again this is better left for a lurker who knows the other lore. Unless you have quotes I can gander at, feeling lazy.
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Dear lord, the three mountains of Thangorodrim are TALLER then Everest, but anyway, Ancalagon not only crushed those, he shattered Beleriand and forced many lands to sink.
What kind of quotes do you want?

Juubi's TBB was massive, but it was only so large because it was in the Naruto continent , which is small. Beleriand is a lot larger, much more larger.



[QUOTE=14786910][i]Originally posted by NemeBro

Yes actually.

Ancalagon was killed by a single elf.

Juubi ragestomps. There were birds present in the battle but only Earendil was credited with Ancalagon's fall.

A single elf and some birds, get it right. [/B][/QUOTE

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You really haven't read the Silmarillion have you? It was Thorondor and thousands of the great eagles of the First Age, and Eärendil. Eärendil who bore a Silmaril, one of the three most powerful magical devices within EA, Eärendil wasn't some elf, he was a First Age Elf, some elves are strong enough to compare and be even more powerful then Maia, in fact Fingolfin and Feanor were both compared to the Valar in power.
What are you smoking? Give me some of that, then maybe I might start trolling like you. smile

Ancalagon turned back the Entire Host of The Valar. We don't know how Ancalagon was taken down, it could've been anything, most speculate that it was most likely done with help from a Silmaril. All we know is that it took a day, a DAY. Dear lord, brush up on some Lotr lore, instead of acting lik you've read it when you clearly have selective memory of choosing to ignore certain parts of the books.
Anyway, Ancalagon and Melkor have First Age Sauron, are you mad?

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And Ancalagon had every single dragon on his side.

Fingolfin and Feanor were never compared to the Valar in power, Fingolfin was once said to resemble Orome when he rode to go fight Morgoth, but he has no feats nor explicit power comparisons on a level with a Valar.

Who gives a **** that powerful First Age Elves can rival Maiar? There isn't a single Maiar as powerful as the Juubi.

Ancalagon wasn't the only dragon present. Read The Silmarillion before you post in this thread. thumb up

First Age Sauron is also one-shot by the Juubi, so we're clear on that. His body will be vaporized and his spirit will fly away in fear.


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Let me give you some idea of scale.

The Juubi would have ended the War of Wrath with a single attack.


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Taller than Everest, assuming the quote says the mountain/pillars are taller, is around 9km and up. That's what, the size of two BBs from any the 1-7 tailed beasts? And that's without comparing breaking something vs blowing it up, latter needing greater force.

Where 9tails alone made up half of this bomb which is at least 7 times the diameter? Seeing as a single 1-7 beast could match and bests destroying three pillars, bringing Kurama along just trumps it effortlessly.

Not even Juubi.


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And Ancalagon had every single dragon on his side.

Fingolfin and Feanor were never compared to the Valar in power, Fingolfin was once said to resemble Orome when he rode to go fight Morgoth, but he has no feats nor explicit power comparisons on a level with a Valar.

Who gives a **** that powerful First Age Elves can rival Maiar? There isn't a single Maiar as powerful as the Juubi.

Ancalagon wasn't the only dragon present. Read The Silmarillion before you post in this thread. thumb up

First Age Sauron is also one-shot by the Juubi, so we're clear on that. His body will be vaporized and his spirit will fly away in fear.


You really don't get it do you?
Osse shits on the Juubi and proceeded to kill him, that answer you dum ****ing question? Sauron makes the Juubi his *****. Manwe's Herald proceeds to stare at the Juubi, and destroys the Juubi by just staring at it.
The powerful Maia are on a completly different league then the Juubi, the Juubi's beyond the notice of even the Weakest Valar.

The other Dragons weren't mentioned in his batlte with Eärendil and the eagles idiot, I'm pretty sure those Dragons were taken out, how about you read the Silmarillion? anyway Ancalagon was the sole being mentioned in that battle, there's a reason why he was Morgoth's trump card.
Feanor was more powerful then Fingolfin, that's why I said that.

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You really don't get it do you?
Osse shits on the Juubi and proceeded to kill him, that answer you dum ****ing question? Sauron makes the Juubi his *****. Manwe's Herald proceeds to stare at the Juubi, and destroys the Juubi by just staring at it.
The powerful Maia are on a completly different league then the Juubi, the Juubi's beyond the notice of even the Weakest Valar.

The other Dragons weren't mentioned in his batlte with Eärendil and the eagles idiot, I'm pretty sure those Dragons were taken out, how about you read the Silmarillion? anyway Ancalagon was the sole being mentioned in that battle, there's a reason why he was Morgoth's trump card.
Feanor was more powerful then Fingolfin, that's why I said that.
No, all of this is wrong.

The Juubi by feats is more powerful than any single Maiar and most of the Valar. Maybe even all of them come to think of it. It didn't need help to shape a single world.

Yes they were, read books before you go to threads about them.


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Taller than Everest, assuming the quote says the mountain/pillars are taller, is around 9km and up. That's what, the size of two BBs from any the 1-7 tailed beasts? And that's without comparing breaking something vs blowing it up, latter needing greater force.

Where 9tails alone made up half of this bomb which is at least 7 times the diameter? Seeing as a single 1-7 beast could match and bests destroying three pillars, bringing Kurama along just trumps it effortlessly.

Not even Juubi.


i don't see any of the tailed beasts below the Juubi destroying even one Everest.
Thangorodrim is like 35, 000 feet or more, that's 6000 feet larger then Everest, and there are three of them. Brush up on some Lotr lore.
Also Beleriand is larger then the Naruto continent by a hundred times, and Ancalagon just by falling caused the continent to be shattered, and forced lands to sink.

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No, all of this is wrong.

The Juubi by feats is more powerful than any single Maiar and most of the Valar. Maybe even all of them come to think of it. It didn't need help to shape a single world.

Yes they were, read books before you go to threads about them.


In your wet dreams Juubi might be stronger, but in reality he's so far beneath the strongest Maia its not funny.
Nope. This is the exact quote.'But Eärendil came, shinning with white flame, and about Vingilot were gathered all the great birds of heaven and Thorondor was their captain, and there was battle in the air all the day and through a dark night of doubt. Before the rising of the sun Eärendil slew Ancalagon the Black, the mightiest of the dragon-host, and cast him from the sky; and he fell upon the towers of Thangorodrim, and they were broken in his ruin.'

Notice how Ancalagon is the only one mentioned?
Now you brush up on some ****ing lotr lore.

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i don't see any of the tailed beasts below the Juubi destroying even one Everest.
Thangorodrim is like 35, 000 feet or more, that's 6000 feet larger then Everest, and there are three of them. Brush up on some Lotr lore.
Also Beleriand is larger then the Naruto continent by a hundred times, and Ancalagon just by falling caused the continent to be shattered, and forced lands to sink.


http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m...gdwgo1_1280.jpg

Beleriand wasn't all that big.

Juubi solos. thumb up


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http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m...gdwgo1_1280.jpg

Beleriand wasn't all that big.

Juubi solos. thumb up


Dude that's not all of Belerinad. And Juubi does not, you really are a Naruto wanker aren't you.

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Here's the Naruto map http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Naruto_World_Map.svg

Notice how small that is?


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Nope. This is the exact quote.'But Eärendil came, shinning with white flame, and about Vingilot were gathered all the great birds of heaven and Thorondor was their captain, and there was battle in the air all the day and through a dark night of doubt. Before the rising of the sun Eärendil slew Ancalagon the Black, the mightiest of the dragon-host, and cast him from the sky; and he fell upon the towers of Thangorodrim, and they were broken in his ruin.'

Notice how Ancalagon is the only one mentioned?
Now you brush up on some ****ing lotr lore.
Why didn't you quote the part before it?

"Then, seeing that his hosts were overthrown and his power dispersed, Morgoth quailed, and he dared not to come forth himself. But he loosed upon his foes the last desperate assault that he had prepared, and out of the pits of Angband there issued the winged dragons, that had not before been seen; and so sudden and ruinous was the onset of that dreadful fleet that the host of the Valar was driven back, for the coming of the dragons was with great thunder, and lightning, and a tempest of fire."

Oh, and let's add the part that comes after your quote too, just to show everyone what a lying dog-****er you are.

"Then the sun rose, and the host of the Valar prevailed, and well-nigh all the dragons were destroyed; and the pits of Morgoth were broken and unroofed, and the might of the Valar descended into the deeps of the earth."

Ancalagon isn't the only dragon mentioned. Just the only dragon named.

Also, which book is this "Ancalagon sank Beleriand" quote from? Certainly not my edition of The Silmarillion.


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Here's the Naruto map http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Naruto_World_Map.svg

Notice how small that is?
You have literally no idea how large any of those landmasses are because there's no legend to scale it off of.


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Okay so 10km? That's basically what I assumed. That'd still be twice the size of a 1-7 BB, minus explosive force.

And I take it there's something that even states that. The mountain/pillars are larger than irl Everest?

Yeah it a quotes about the sinking I'm more interested int, since the mountain part doesn't amount to anything comparatively.


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It doesn't matter if he sank all of Beleriand BloodRain.

The Juubi in its second form is a multi-continent buster.


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Why didn't you quote the part before it?

"Then, seeing that his hosts were overthrown and his power dispersed, Morgoth quailed, and he dared not to come forth himself. But he loosed upon his foes the last desperate assault that he had prepared, and out of the pits of Angband there issued the winged dragons, that had not before been seen; and so sudden and ruinous was the onset of that dreadful fleet that the host of the Valar was driven back, for the coming of the dragons was with great thunder, and lightning, and a tempest of fire."

Oh, and let's add the part that comes after your quote too, just to show everyone what a lying dog-****er you are.

"Then the sun rose, and the host of the Valar prevailed, and well-nigh all the dragons were destroyed; and the pits of Morgoth were broken and unroofed, and the might of the Valar descended into the deeps of the earth."

Ancalagon isn't the only dragon mentioned. Just the only dragon named.

Also, which book is this "Ancalagon sank Beleriand" quote from? Certainly not my edition of The Silmarillion.


oops, I didn't notice that part in the book, but it is there now that I'm skimming through it. I never said there weren't any dragons there though, I said that Earendil and the eagles only fought Ancalagon, Since Ancalagon was the only thing mentioned in the quote, none of the other dragons were.

'In the Great Battle and the tumults of the fall of Thangorodrim there were mighty convulsions in the earth, and Beleriand was broken and laid waste...many lands sank beneath the waters of the Great Sea.'
Notice, 'And The Tumults Of The Fall of Thangorodrim There Were Mighty Convulsions In The Earth, And Beleriand Was Broken And Laid Waste...Many Lands Sank Beneath The Waters Of The Great Sea'

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Okay so 10km? That's basically what I assumed. That'd still be twice the size of a 1-7 BB, minus explosive force.

And I take it there's something that even states that. The mountain/pillars are larger than irl Everest?

Yeah it a quotes about the sinking I'm more interested int, since the mountain part doesn't amount to anything comparatively.


'In the Great Battle and the tumults of the fall of Thangorodrim there were mighty convulsions in the earth, and Beleriand was broken and laid waste...many lands sank beneath the waters of the Great Sea.'
There you go.

The Atlas Books says it, but I don't have it on me.

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It doesn't matter if he sank all of Beleriand BloodRain.

The Juubi in its second form is a multi-continent buster.


Juubi's a small country buster in his first form and a multi small country buster in his second, stop wanking.

And it does matter because Beleriand is larger then Naruto continent by a large amount.

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