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Palpatine moves faster than he can see. He can effortlessly deflect shots with his saber or Tutaminis them. He can simply telekinetically ragdoll him on top of that. If he hits Khan with an FLS it would be game over.
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False. I can see his every movement. To act like he's behind human movement is ignoring the evidence with your fanboy glasses on. Want me to time out his attacks so I can destroy your whimsical claims.
No, he cannot deflect the Boolean gun or keep up with the barrage Khan can send his way. Khan can shoot him if he chooses to use his force to powers.
One blast from the Boolean gun leaves him a body missing limbs.
Khan is literally like a baby, and Palpatine a full grown man. Khan stands literally no chance to beat a Sith Master such as Palpatine in single combat. Literally. None.
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Saesee Tiin, Agen Kolar and Kit Fisto are the greatest swordsman of the Jedi Order as stated by Shaak Ti. Jedi Knights have super human reflexes as standard, these three were Jedi Masters of the highest caliber and Darth Sidious speedblitzed all three of them effortlessly without their reacting beyonf Kit Fisto and of course Windu.
Khan has nothing on that.
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False. Palpatine is like the typical cowardly individual. Hiding behind ulterior motives and having others do his dirty work for him and being two faced. He's like a sneaky woman. When in actual combat he sniveled and begged Windu. It was despicable. Khan took on the Starfleet Federarion by himself. He got to and killed Admiral Marcus's skull. He's the kind of guy other guys get winded punching him in the face. Palpatine is the kind of guy in the fetal position begging for mercy.
He killed lessers. Windu blocked and later defeated him because he's on par with him.
Khan took out an entire squadron of Klingons and subdued three of the enterprises crew on his own. That shits all over Palpatine's feat there. He ended up begging for his life because he was unable to fight back and mentally scarred because he was idiotic with force lightning.
We have timed out the feats. We a.so see non force users keep up with them consistently just fine. You wanting to ignore the evidence and make things up because you're biased does not cut the mustard.
Palpatine wins. Keep in mind going purely by feats he is the strongest force user in the movies. I know some people think Yoda was and yes Yoda was able to absorb force lightning..however, look at the part where Palptine was throwing things at Yoda. He was throwing the senator box seats at them, quite casually chucking them while levitating 2-3 in the air in the background and then casually chucking them as well.
Yoda, meanwhile, needs to do some concentration just to stop one of these things and throw it back at Palpatine, which he doesn't even do immediately. So maybe the better thing to say is Palpatine has the most powerful TK in the movies.
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Wait hold on now guys. I agree saying "I can see him move so he doesn't have super speed" isn't a good argument.
On the other hand if you are saying Palpatine has a certain level of speed you need to prove it.
We see Palpatine leap up when he kills those jedi Mace brought with him. I truly hope that is not the feat being used here.
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Huh? His speed is very well known and verified via on panel feats and power scaling. For example, The three acclaimed jedi we see him blitz are some of the best the order had to offer. We see Fisto in AOTC arena scene and a few episodes of the TV series where he displays quick reactions to laser fire and sword play. The other two have minor roles in the series. Again though, these are some of the best the order had to offer. So if Jedi's naturally come with enhanced speed and stats, these three would likely be a decent amount quicker than even that. Guess what, Sids, blitzed them before they could really react. Fisto was able to block a strike, maybe two before being killed. Point is, that is the speed we are talking about here.
Let's not forget how Anakin (the chosen one with the most potential) could even perceive the fight between Sids and Mace. that's is how fast they were moving. For somebody who can keep up with Dooku and fight him, beat him even, not to be able to see them fight because of their speed is very telling.
We all see Sids speed on full display in his fights with Maul and Savage.. and even yoda. His speed is vastly superior to Kahn's, and of that there can be no doubt.
They are not slow but again aren't super fast due to non force users taking on force users just fine. I have also timed out the force feats and it takes an awfully long time save a force push which doesn't do any real damage unless you collide into something very hard.
I disagree entirely with your outcome. The reason Palpatine can toss them easily is they have no force resisting them. Yoda had to stop all the forward momentum of the pod and sent it back in his direction in which Palpatine had to evade. They were equals IMO in terms of force powers.
Khan just mows him down. One shot from his Boolean gun seals the deal.
I am actually highlighting the evidence. Saying they are too fast without proving it isn't debating. Let's examine the feats. I'm more than game to humiliate the fanboys.
That did answer the question... Are the characters he mentioned slow because we can see them move? Simple question. You over multiple threads stated we can see them move, and it's not fast. I won't even get into how piss poor that argument is (one you've been laughed at for across multiple threads) but since we see Flash moving... He's slow then right? Us perceiving them doesn't make them slow. The movies are put out to make money and for audience appeal. That is why we see them move so we have clue what is going on. Do you think SS was moving slow in the Fantastic Four 2 when he was flying? According to you he must be because we see him. Yet, if the director ACTUALLY wanted us to see what it would look like it in real time.. we'd see nothing... There would just be background and we wouldn't even see a thing. You think that makes for a good movie viewing experience. Us looking at blurs or nothing? Pray and tell me you're not this dumb. You're pretty dumb, but I don't even know about this dumb. Us perceiving somebody or you timing something out doesn't mean that is how fast it actually took.
Ok, since you agree we can power scale let's look at how even Windu himself let's Jango fire multiple blasts before he can close the distance and decapitate him.
This supports my stance even the best Jedi are susceptible to laser blasts and not fast enough to kill prior to an assault. In this scene Jango's jet pack was damaged by the beast hence why he couldn't create any more space as Windu closed the gap. Not even a clean win since Windu didn't break the jetpack the beast did.
Jango gets off 6-7 blasts before Windu closes the gap.
Since I can see them move and no portrayal has shown them being slowed down to fight at matrix type speeds yes. I am going off of portrayal and timing. Flight speed isn't combat speed, dummy.
Based off that pilots can fight at the same speeds they fly, Abe.
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