This is what it comes to, pretty much. Anyone who thinks either of these two will simply stomp each other is guilty of rabid fanboyism. This is not going to be an easy fight for either opponent, but I see Cap winning in the end.
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The only two people I saw claiming that it was a stomp were DDM and carver and both of them were supporting Ozy.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
But from what I've seen of the two movies with Cap I've seen, Cap wouldn't even tag Ozy.
I will make a thread revival in September when this comes out just to satiate or piss off all you bitches.
To be fair, I said it would be Ozy that stomped because I don't see, currently, Cap even being able to touch Ozy. I said Ozy, 10/10. Also, let's not forget that Ozy is the highest level aim dodger before we start breaking into bullet dodging territory. I don't think any other person comes close to Ozy's aim dodging ability because he's bordering on bullet dodging (see slow-mo scene where he dodges the gunfire from the hired assassin). IIRC, I conceded that Hit Girl is the lowest level bullet dodger out there (because RJ took frame by frame screen shots to show that she dodged a bullet after it entered the camera's view (meaning, she started to move after the bullet came into view)).
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I don't want to commit the "no-limits fallacy" but I don't remember Ozy really ever being worn out, either: his fight with Comedian, his fight with Night Owl and Rorschach.
Those were all relatively brief, and rather one-sided exchanges though, the limits of Ozymandias' endurance were never tested.
Cap fought in big prolonged battles absorbing inhuman amounts of punishment (The climax of The Avengers is a notable instance) all without rest or appearing visibly tired. Consider also that superhuman endurance (Both physically and mentally, Cap being particularly noted for his drive) is an explicit aspect of the character, and he has the better support for stamina.
Even the most physically fit power-lifters are slightly gassed after picking up 200+ pounds over their head and throwing it. That doesn't take into consideration that long-fight between Comedian and Ozy before Ozy knocked out Comedian and threw him out of the window.
In other words, I directly reject your above statement because it is direclty contradicted by what was seen on-screen.
You're comparing that short fight with say the final battle in Avengers that had Cap running and fighting all through the city?
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Compared to the final Avengers battle scene it was, but go ahead and ignore reality, you've been doing that for the entire thread.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Based on the speed at which both Ozymandias and Cap are shown fighting on screen, he will most certainly be able to tag him.
You mean the scene where he hid behind others to avoid bullets from the guy he himself hired to fake an attack on him? Considering how that whole bit was a set up by Ozymandias himself, I personally don't consider it a very good example.
Let's break it down: First shot hits a woman's leg, a good 2 feet next to Ozy. Second shot hits the guy next to Ozy in the shoulder before he is even really moving in that direction. Third shot hits a guy in the head when Ozy is already directly behind him. Next shot goes well over his head, without him needing to take any avoiding action. The last shot he was already busy ducking when the hammer on the revolver was half cocked, and his head was out of the way by the time of the actual muzzle flash.
Based on that, and the fact that Ozy hired the guy and set the whole thing up, it seems that there was never any intention for Ozy to actually get hit during that encounter.
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I can dismiss this as fanboyish bias because it is trying too hard to downplay Ozymandias' ability. In fact, what you're doing here is pretty lame/dumb/stupid.
Unless, of course, Ozymandias knew, even when the shooter didn't, exactly where he was going to shoot his gun before the scene even occurred, you're directly wrong. The contradiction occurs, because, while in slow-mo, we see the bullets passing Ozy. Based on my estimates, Ozy was moving super-humanly fast (reflexes). That really really sucks for the anti-Ozy camp. If we need to do a measure of his speed and reflexes, I can do so.
Do you wanna go down that path? Because I think it is time we make fanboys like you shutup and sit down. This Captain America wanking has gotten out of hand I think it is time someone kicked the stool all of you are masturbating on, out from under you.
We'll see...if I have time, I'll make all of you look like fools.
You're trying to hard to troll. Not once have I ignored reality and I have been upfront about not having seen Caps' latest film.
What you're doing here is pretty transparent. If you want to troll me, you need to up your game and think more intelligently than an 8 year old.
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I dont understand How you can feel so strongly about Ozy winning without having seen Caps latest film. You are calling other people fanboys is hypocrisy.
I dont even comment on vs battles if I havent seen the movie yet. I havent seen LUCY or the rock Hercules movies yet so I have no business going into those threads.
anyhow to keep it short. Lets give both characters the benefit of the doubt.
Lets say Ozy can harm Cap with his blows, and also lets say Cap can land some hits on Ozy.
Cap still wins in this scenario. Caps damage soak along with all his other abilities wins it for him.
There is no durability feats for Ozy just him dodging a lot.
I am not trying to downplay anyone. If you had used his bullet catching feat I would have raised no objections whatsoever. That is a legitimate superhuman feat, showcasing above human speed and reaction times.
I own the special extended cut of the film. First bullet hits a woman's leg (to the opposite side of which Ozy starts to move), second hits a man's shoulder, third another between the eyes, fourth goes way over Ozy's head. The last one is the only one that gets anywhere close to him. And again, his head is already lowered out of the way by the time the muzzle flash occurs.
And yes, considering that Ozymandias hired the guy to fake the attack, to throw off Rorschach and Nite Owl, that whole damn thing could have been set up beforehand. He does after all claim to be the smartest man on Earth.
The only one here guilty of fanboyism is you. You claim that Cap can't touch Ozy and that Ozy will stomp him, yet you haven't even watched the 2nd Cap film.
The fact is, this is a close battle. Ozy is superhuman, based on showings. I am not arguing against that. Ozy might have a speed advantage, and Steve a bit of a strength advantage, but both are mostly negligible. It comes down to damage soak IMO. I just think Steve's hits will start taking a heavier toll more quickly than Ozy's would. That is the only reason I think Steve will win.
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DDM shame on you for basing this off Cap 1 a horrible, horrible movie. Based of that yes, Ozy would take him. However this next film makes it a different story.
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