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dika123
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ehh... i already see this thread... so yeah thor would destroy broly

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So all i heard is "Bro, can't beat the Gorr showing" it's okay dude, the Dbz characters are glass cannons. Akira Toriyama supposedly is going to continue the story from the Buu saga so maybe that will change.

I'd personally put the top tier Z fighters at Namor level physically, able to compete with top tiers but the moment things get serious they get crushef.


Lol at Namor level.


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It's worth mentioning that Broly did not galaxy bust.. just as its also worth mentioning that he didn't go around individually destroying each planet.



The truth of the matter is that the galaxy was not destroyed and the only notion comes from a fancy visual explanation of "Dang that spirals ****ed up". Proven in the first movie itself where several planets are shown perfectly fine, with iirc countless stars shown around.


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It's worth mentioning that Broly did not galaxy bust.. just as its also worth mentioning that he didn't go around individually destroying each planet.



The truth of the matter is that the galaxy was not destroyed and the only notion comes from a fancy visual explanation of "Dang that spirals ****ed up". Proven in the first movie itself where several planets are shown perfectly fine, with iirc countless stars shown around.


No one said he completely destroyed it but he did devastate it to the point that the remaining planets that was around was in ruins. Kind if like Odin. It was stated that he destroyed a Galaxy as well but yet he was still fighting on a planet. I would still consider both a Galaxy buster based on the fact that what a level attack they used to devastate it, a second one would most def take it out.


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You do know the first Broly movie takes place directly after the frieza saga? The androids did better against the Z fighters than Broly.


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Really, we can argue about why DB characters physicality doesn't match up to their ki blasts for hours, but we'd still just be stuck at "mjolnir makes Broly completely ineffective"


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@Carv: Except nothing says any of that. This is all of the official information on this:

1. Original dialogue states the South Galaxy is under attack, by both the narrator and King Kai.

2. Endless numbers of planets/stars shown still in the galaxy.

3. Paragas: "He is wrecking havoc all over an area of the Southern Galaxy with his fearsome power. At his pace, even the New Planet Vegeta that we worked to establish will fall to the Legendary Super Saiyan.."

This tells us that the planet was a mess without Broly's interference (yes part of his plot, but damage-wise it makes sense), that Paragas and co were perfectly fine during this (which rules out any Galaxy razing ideas) and that most of all it was only an area of the Galaxy that was gradually being attacked.

Taking the "wrecking havoc" line along with King Kai saying he was "tearing up" the South adds to this.

4. The slave workers. The kid tells us that the they were taken when Broly wrecked his planet. Again, proof that it was not a galaxy razing event as now we have more showing to be alive during the events, and from a very weak race. Not only that but it shows us that all this destruction was under the command of Paragas, who was obviously in his ship with the crew and slaves.



..That's it. The only thing left is the scene with the galaxy blacking out, which is /directly/ opposed by #2 and #3; The fact that the stars are still everywhere and many survived. That leaves us with a statement of...;

"Planets in a section of the South Galaxy are gradually being attacked."



So this is what really happened;
Paragas in his spaceship traveled around a single area of the South Galaxy, using Broly to create a path of destruction along the way whilst picking up slaves etc.

No evidence or reasoning for either Planet busting+, an AoE above planetary nor FTL speed outside the spaceship itself.


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Really, we can argue about why DB characters physicality doesn't match up to their ki blasts for hours, but we'd still just be stuck at "mjolnir makes Broly completely ineffective"


I don't think you're taking Thor's canon into proper account.

Thor's mentality has him almost always attack initially using Mjolnir as a striking weapon. In addition, Thor is a brawler and would seek to trade punches with Broly, a decision he would live to regret.

Taking Broly's combat performance he wil Blitz and given his speed advantage he will land many more shots on the Odinson.

From there you have the makings of an epic battle.

Even the Judas of the Thor Corps, Damborgson, admits to this.


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Thor's mentality has him almost always attack initially using Mjolnir as a striking weapon

And a single connecting blow will kill Broly.
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In addition, Thor is a brawler and would seek to trade punches with Broly, a decision he would live to regret.

How? Broly cannot possibly fight someone in Thor's tier physically, the only stat he reaches that level on is energy projection, being a competent planet buster with that. Compared to his ki his physical blows are piss in the wind.

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Taking Broly's combat performance he wil Blitz and given his speed advantage he will land many more shots on the Odinson.

Speed advantage? Broly is slower, unless you count PIS showings to serve lower level characters, usually outside Thor's own comics I might add, there's no way Broly can blitz him, and Broly is breaking his own hands if he tries. IE, you need to lowball Thor for Broly to be on his level speed wise.

If Broly goes into melee range he dies, pure and simple, he doesn't have the durability to survive an attack on that level that isn't ki based.


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And a single connecting blow will kill Broly.

How? Broly cannot possibly fight someone in Thor's tier physically, the only stat he reaches that level on is energy projection, being a competent planet buster with that. Compared to his ki his physical blows are piss in the wind.


Speed advantage? Broly is slower, unless you count PIS showings to serve lower level characters, usually outside Thor's own comics I might add, there's no way Broly can blitz him, and Broly is breaking his own hands if he tries. IE, you need to lowball Thor for Broly to be on his level speed wise.

If Broly goes into melee range he dies, pure and simple, he doesn't have the durability to survive an attack on that level that isn't ki based.


This may be a better approach.

What opponent of Thor is comprable to Broly in your opinion?

Could Broly harm Thor with strikes?

What speedblitz(es) has Thor successfully countered?

Thor has been hurt and outstruck by beings who are vastly below Broly even at the level you appear to be placing him.

I've read the vast majority of Thor's canon and I've never seen him handle a speedblitz. The Mongoose battle is pretty definitive, to the point that even the Thor corps will accept the showing. Gladiator easily handled Thor during the first part of their fight using speed.


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It's hard to peg a good analogue for Broly or, in fact, most DB characters due to how differently they function than most heralds.

Their energy projection, is without doubt, in the high herald range, able to break planets in the sextillions of tons. Broly is in that range, clearly. But in terms of physicality it's been shown definitively, any time Toriyama decided to give us clear indicators that their physical strength is much, much less.

King Kai's planet, 10x gravity. Training in 100x gravity before fighting Frieza, [Broly Happens Here] Vegeta maxing out at 300x gravity in I believe the Android saga, and then reaching 450 by the time of the Buu Saga.

And then there's the Buu saga, which has base Goku struggle with 40 tons, on panel. Yes, it's base Goku, but that's strength you could expect from a decent low meta character from comic books, and it's later on in the series than Broly would've happened were he canon. Incidentally if Vegeta weighed, say, 100 kg or 220 lbs, 450 G's would put him at 49.5 tons. Which lines up pretty closely with what Goku was doing at a similar time.


The flipside of this is that, again, I can't think of a comparably physically frail comic book character that can break planets. Even if we accept the super saiyan multiplier as linearly improving a character's physical strength, and assume Frieza saga base Goku is as strong as Buu saga physically, that leaves us with about 2000 ton strength for Super Saiyan 1 Goku, Broly we could say is well above that, but even at 10 000 tons, it's just not going to work on any level of Thor that isn't jobbing, imho.

So to answer your question definitively: No, I do not believe Broly could harm Thor with strikes.

Your next question is a bit loaded, because speed blitzes are relative. If I could move at mach 1 and react appropriately I could blitz any living human, this isn't quite the same deal for Thor, whose reactions are much better than a human's. When he has been faced with enemies who can blitz he's reacted with AoE attacks to counter them. I don't actually have any comics on my computer atm [new OS a few months ago, lost what I had, which admittedly wasn't comprehensive, but still]

The thing is that when he's not on Earth, trying not to make the other Avengers look like dumbasses/avoid killing normal humans, Thor operates at a level where he can fight Surfer reliably and keep up with or outfight a wide swath of his own tier. A tier that exceeds the speed DBZ operates at. Gladiator for example doesn't help Broly's case because Gladiator is much faster than light.

I can't recall Thor being outbrawled by characters that [relatively] weak? I mean, really, he's had fights where his blows shook all of Asgard, shattered planets indirectly, ****ed around with the world engine, held up the midgard serpent with his bones all mcbroky, fought Hercules in a titty twisting slap fight [best comic] smashed the demigorge's face open with a hammer toss. On the whole I think his high showings such as above easily outweight the low ones, and on the average, there's simply no way a DB character, if we place Thor at the middle between these two extremes, can handle him in a brawl.

I dunno, what feat would you suggest places Broly at Thor's level physically? Particularly in terms of speed?


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Broly's speed in the film clearly outpaces Thor in my opinion.

To the point of strength, if they were bench-pressing; I'd give Thor the advantage. However, coupling Broly's speed with his strength, his strikes should effect Thor.

If we agree on 40 tons for Broly then adding speed to his strikes should multiply their power.


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I have no interest in this thread anymore since it isn't in the comic vs forum. Lowball away. By the way, Goku is far above class 100. Hell, kid Goku was class 100.


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Thor is stronger, based on feats, lifting and punching, especially with Mjolnir, would like to see Broly feats that are greater though,

Thor is faster, traveling and even blitzing SS and Galactus.

Thor has the greater energyprojection, the Godblast hurt beings as powerful as Galactus and Celestials.

Everything thrown at Thor energywise can be redicrected or absorbed.

Broly lacks the feats. Lifting, punching etc.

Interesting.

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I have no interest in this thread anymore since it isn't in the comic vs forum. Lowball away. By the way, Goku is far above class 100. Hell, kid Goku was class 100.
Well I guess I no longer have any incentive to respond to you then.

Don't worry CC. Yours is coming soon.


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I have no interest in this thread anymore since it isn't in the comic vs forum. Lowball away. By the way, Goku is far above class 100. Hell, kid Goku was class 100.
That's a funny way of saying that you give up. stick out tongue


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Think he'll live this down? Comic Versus has to know Carver gave up on a DB character.


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I have no interest in this thread anymore since it isn't in the comic vs forum. Lowball away. By the way, Goku is far above class 100. Hell, kid Goku was class 100.


This is unacceptable!

GET CARVER PRIME!


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