Been having a conversation along these lines with a couple friends and I figured I'd toss it out for board consumption:
Is Chivalry, as in giving women special treatment essentially for the sake of them being women, actually sexist and degrading to Women?
The discussion has been in regards to Women being the equals of Men, and thus needing to be treated as equals to Men, but then the social mores of "Women and Children First", etc., and the patronizing that follows therein (like when members of both genders play up women being "more emotional" [which I personally find demeaning to women]). Is this point of view wrong? Is Chivalry patronizing and not equal treatment of Women? Should you treat Women as you would treat Men in the same circumstances?
Sexist? Not necessarily. For myself, offering, say, one's subway seat to a woman, is a gesture of kindness, same as offering it to, say, a senior citizen (would that be "ageist?"). People who object to this sort of courtesy, I suspect, have "self-esteem issues."
Men and women are equal in status, no question about it. But clearly, they are not equal, down the line, in each and every ability. There are also, it seems, many women who try to have it both ways. Eg, "I am your equal, but I still expect you to pay for dinner."
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Chivalry is sexist- just not to women. Chivalry is basically sexism toward men.
edit- Hmmm. Actually, I'll think about it for awhile before giving a final answer.
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Woman, elderly, disabled. A child, so s/he can sit next to mom. If I see someone I feel is going to have a tougher time standing out a trip, I offer my seat...unless I'm having one of my at-war-with-the-world moments.
You're not going to be young and cute forever.
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How do women have an intrinsically harder time standing up then men?
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Indeed. "Cute forever" implies cuteness at one point in time.
'Bro has been an eldritch monster since conception.
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"The Daemon lied with every breath. It could not help itself but to deceive and dismay, to riddle and ruin. The more we conversed, the closer I drew to one singularly ineluctable fact: I would gain no wisdom here."
I feel like this is one of those things that doesn't have a broad answer, just because every situation is different. The context and intent determines the answer.
"The Daemon lied with every breath. It could not help itself but to deceive and dismay, to riddle and ruin. The more we conversed, the closer I drew to one singularly ineluctable fact: I would gain no wisdom here."
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Being a gentleman is too gay cliche for young ladies these days.
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