Well for one thing, Naruto has had Asura's chakra his entire life; that's different from having Hagoromo's.
Also, we're referring to the LAST, not the manga. As of the NvS fight, the two still hadn't used up all of Hagoromo's chakra; hence why Naruto still retained Rikudo Sage Mode and a few of his Gudou-Dama (Though those ended up vanishing as well.)
Regardless, he had neither of these in the LAST. Just regular Kyuubi Mode, none of the other tailed beasts or their chakra natures made an appearance.
Except he did, when he needed to. We saw him using Deva Path, Preta Path, Outer Path, and Pain's rods--it's silly to assume he couldn't use the rest of the Rinnegan techs, considering he mastered it much more fully than Nagato ever did.
So? The ability can absorb *any* energy-based attack, in description.
Yes, in theory.
Sasuke perhaps, not Naruto though.
That's not the point I was trying to make, but that works too; if Madara didn't know how to use the technique himself, why the flying fvck would he trust Nagato to somehow learn it and revive him with it?
Eh, no, that's just his Susano'o. Notice that it's not identical to Sasuke's?
EMS Madara and Indra.
I didn't think there were people still out there who wanked Itachi to Madara level.
Well, that's what you said.
Eh, no, those were just regular genjutsu. If it were that easy, there'd be no need for Infinite Tsukuyomi.
Uh, what?
You mean, his first Rinnegan. He was fighting them without eyes, beforehand. He then roflstomped them with complete ease.
Uh, you do realize Limbo is just an invisible clone of Madara. He literally sent each Biju flying with single, individual, physical blows.
So have you seen the Last? I've just read about it. If so, it'd be nice if you could provide the link.
Anyway, no. We've only seen Madara use the absorption ability, and planetary devastation. No knowledge stealing, no soul stealing, no technopathy, no almighty push/universal pull, etc. Those are the only path abilities he's used. And the chakra rods aren't a path ability, they're a rikudo ability. They were made by Kaguya's will power.
In what description? The only people who have faced it were Naruto and Jiraiya. They were both NOTHING compared to current high-tiers. If a rasen-shuriken from Naruto could ALMOST get past it, then it's safe to assume that a Biju bomb or greater would be too much for it. At least in the possession of one of the path's, or Madara.
LULZ @ Madara absorbing moon slicing. U funny bro.
NO, YOU'RE ASSUMING THINGS. Unless a character has shown an ability, we have to assume they can't use it. What, are you gonna say that since Rasen-shuriken uses wind chakra, Asuma could use it as well? Please. SMFH
What? That doesn't even make sense. If Madara knew how to use it himself, he would have just used it ON himself. It worked just fine for the other Pains.
Uh, no, Kakashi's PS is EXACTLY identical to Sasuke's. The only difference, which is only prevalent in the anime, is the color.
EMS Madara NEVER used PS. That's why he had to use rinnegan against the Gokage to use it. Indra also had Rinnegan at birth, not sharingan.
Itachi doesn't need wank to be at Madara level. He was as intelligent as a Hokage at age 7, and was an anbu by the time he was 14. Don't forget he also rofl-stomped 4 leaf Jonin at the same time, one-panneled Orochimaru, reacted to and stopped someone who blitzed Naruto AND Killer Bee at the same time, etc. Itachi was superior to Madara in taijutsu, HANDSDOWN. The only reason Madara would have won a fight is because of his rinnegan. Even then, it's possible Itachi could kill him with the Totsuka blade.
No, it's what you assumed. I said he controlled everything, SIMILARLY to tsukiyomi. What I meant by that was that he can make genjutsu's part of reality with a thought. Which he can.
Yes, Kakashi fought with one or two biju's at a time, when Gai and he showed up to save Naruto from them. His clones did the lightning transmission, and even cut through them. Not to mention how he and Gai fought them while Naruto was being eaten.
Oh, I meant first. Either way though, he still didn't do ish to the Biju other than catch them off guard with Limbo, and seal them with the Gedo statue.
How do you know he used physical blows? He could have used any jutsu for all we know.
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No, these are all Deva path PAIN'S powers. You can't base Madara's abilities off of Pain's, just because they have the same eye. Especially since Madara has only demonstrated jutsu absorption, and planetary devastation. He has no technopathy, no mind-reading, no soul stealing, and overall, only has TWO of the abilities that any of the Pain's ever did. Either who Madara using them, or this debate is over.
lol, yeah it did. When Gaara flung Madara from his Susano'o, it took a second for him to fully absorb Naruto's rasen-shuriken. The difference between a sage mod rasen-shuriken, and a Biju sage mode Biju-sen-shuriken, is ASTRONOMICAL. One can blow up a fair-sized building, the other can flatten MOUNTAIN RANGES. Also, if Madara could have absorbed jutsu stronger than that, why did he let Naruto's lava style rasen-shuriken CUT HIM IN HALF?
But Madara used Izanagi to revive himself. Why would he have not been able to also use Izanagi, with his fake edo tensei sharingan, to revive himself with Rinne tensei? BECAUSE HE COULDN'T USE RINNE TENSEI. Stop assuming things.
Oh... I forgot that, but it doesn't change the fact that Kakashi could copy Sasuke's rinnegan-only perfect Susano'o. That means Kakashi CAN, with both mangekyo, copy kekkei genkai.
Also, Indra was stated to have been born with his fathers eyes. That means he had rinnegan, duh. Either way, we've never seen him use PS with only his MS EITHER. The only one to indisputably do that other than Kakashi, was Madara. And Madara still has EMS, btw. No one has done it with regular Mangekyo sharingan, OTHER than Kakashi.
We saw Madara's limbo clones use flight and other Rikudo abilities. Going by your logic, they can also use Almighty push, Universal pull, etc., right? Stop assuming things.
Plus, every other clone can use ninjutsu. I'm sure Madara's limbo clones, the most powerful, advanced clones in the ninja world, could use it too, lol.
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It's scattered in a few different videos, I'll gather what I can for you later.
He's shown three of the six, it's likely he can use them all. Also, they're not Nagato's techniques, they're Hagoromo's.
Could fake Sharingan even use Izanagi?
Nope, he has the Sharingan; he's never portrayed with the Rinnegan. Also, Hagoromo and Black Zetsu specifically state that the Rinnegan can only be awakened by mixing Asura's and Indra's powers.
No, he's only shown two. Chakra absorption, and Planetary devastation. He doesn't have hax summons, mind reading, soul stealing, or technopathy. Even taking just the paths into consideration, that's only 2 of 6 paths. He also can't use Almighty push, or Universal pull, which means he can only use 2 of the 8 abilities. Still only a partial 2 of 6 paths though.
Itachi's fake sharingan could use Izanami. They are the same kind of forbidden jutsu that steals an eyes light, so it wouldn't make sense if a fake sharingan couldn't use Izanagi as well.
Whatever, it still doesn't change the fact that Kakashi can absorb kekkei genkai.
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He's used the Deva Path, the Preta Path, and most importantly the Outer Path.
Except the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path, literally the most hax of all summons in the series.
I think it's pretty ridiculous to assume that Madara can use the most advanced Deva Path power, but can't use the simple ones.
True, but the two techniques are vastly different. Izanami is just a Genjutsu created by some Uchiha woman, Izanagi is a variant of the Sage's greatest tech that requires both Uchiha and Senju powers.
It really does. Again, different Susano'o have different properties; some have wings, some don't--Kakashi's Susano'o is different than Sasuke's in aesthetic anyway, as I already pointed out.
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Make sure to watch it asap, though, because even then it's only going to last a couple days. (It was uploaded TODAY, subbed too.)
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The outer path isn't one of the Pain abilities though, it's basically the ability that all rinnegan wielders have. It allows them to summon the Gedo Mazo, control it, manifest chakra chains, use Rinne Tensei, and use/manipulate/create chakra rods to use as a weapon, or as a tool to manipulate corpses as Rinnegan path puppets. Outer path is the seventh path, meaning Madara can still only use 2 of the Pain paths. Overall, that's only 3 of the entirety of the Rinnegan paths.
The Gedo Mazo isn't part of the Animal path. It's part of the outer path. He still doesn't have any of the Animal path summons, which are things like the infinite headed, giant, regenerating cerberus, the super fast spear-head giant bird that can fire chakra bombs, the invisible giant chameleon, the super giant bull, the super giant rhino, and the many other Animal path summons. Madara doesn't have those, or the Animal path.
Why? If he hasn't displayed it, then he can't use it. Just like how Goten couldn't use one of the simple ki controlling techniques, like flying, or the Bukujutsu, while he could use monstrously OP and advanced ki techniques, like Super Saiyan and the Kamehameha wave.
You're basing that off of an anime only filler. In the manga, Itachi said that Izanagi and Izanami were both parts of the sage's jutsu, and that Izanagi was meant to re-write reality, while Izanami was meant to make it inescapable. They're both the same classification of Uchiha forbidden genjutsu's, that destroy one of your eyes.
Sasuke's and Kakashi's are exactly the same, down to the last detail. They look exactly the same, except for the color, which is only displayed in the anime. Also, Sasuke can manifest a bow and arrow for his, and Kakashi can use his kamui abilities in tandem with his. Aesthetically though, they are the exact same, because Kakashi copied it from Sasuke.
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Uh, no. Their facial design is completely different.
Sasuke's has spikes, Kakashi's has a headband.
Sasuke's has several small holes, Kakashi has two big holes.
Kakashi's has lines going down the eyes, Sasuke's doesn't.
Kakashi's has two prongs on the chin, Sasuke's doesn't.
There are other differences as well, though they're more minor.
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