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That just makes the meteor half a mountain sized. You just shot yourself in the foot again.

> clearly less than 1 mile


Are you telling me that a skyscraper is larger than the moon if it dwarfs because distance is irrelevant? Lol


> Claims susanoo is mountain sized
> claims large country sized meteor

Can't take you seriously anymore


Atleast read the scans I provide

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...56846-perfe.png


Except that there are scans showing mountain ranges inside Seireitei: http://d220.diamond.fastwebserver.d...ch/0479-016.png

Another claim debunked!



He struck the meteor in the next page. He was still a significant distance from the meteor over here.

Seireitei = 100 miles+ (atleast large island sized)
Gremmy's Meteor = 50 miles (large country-continental after taking its speed into account)
Madara's susanoo = 1 mile
Madara's meteor = 0.5 mile - 1 mile


Where are you getting this information from? Madara's Susano'o is nowhere NEAR the size of the meteor. In fact, that meteor was even larger than any of the individual ones that he summoned against Naruto and Sasuke. The roots of the Jyuubi tree dwarfed Perfect Susano'o.

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Look, even when he cut it into fourths, the meteor pieces were STILL bigger than his Susano'o. You say I shot myself in the foot, but you've really done nothing other than prove what I've been saying this whole time. lol

Also, how is mountain sized, "less than a mile"? Mountain's on average are around 4,500 meters tall, meaning that even low-balling it, that makes Madara's Susano'o OVER 3 miles tall. That, combined with the meteor scaling from Sasuke's Susano'o, makes the meteor MORE than 12 miles wide. That's larger than the meteor that killed the dinosaurs.

If a skyscraper made from Earth is taller than the length of the distance between Earth and the moon, then the skyscraper is MASSIVELY larger than the moon, or at least taller. All you're doing is avoiding logic by trying to say that a pebble is as big as the moon, depending on perspective. The meteor was longer than the distance between it and the ground, which was taller than the mountains. It's that simple. Idiot.

Yes. Again, you're repeating your senseless dribble. Susano'o is nowhere near the size of the meteors. Even Sasuke's perfect Susano'o, which is the same size as Madara's, was less than a fourth the size of a smaller meteor. Their Susano'o's are large mountain sized, making the meteor mountain range sized. This is roughly country sized, considering that there are mountain ranges almost as big as India.

Do you even know what scan you just showed? That structure next to Madara's Susano'o was a construct of wood that he and the kage fought on. A structure that was large enough to house his imperfect Susano'o while they fought.

The scan you gave was broken. I looked up the chapter though, and I can provide it.

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However, what you neglected to admit, is the fact that 1. Not only is Ukitake in an undisclosed location that Shunsui had to shunpo to, which could very possibly be outside of the seireitei, but 2. The scan is debunked by a later scan proving that the mountains were not even there in the first place.

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This scan proves it was an illusion of some kind. Hell, maybe they called Dumbledore to paint the wall. That's clearly a continent level feat, isn't it? Not to mention that the scan I gave was later on, proving that scan to be incorrect even without it being a genjutsu.

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He didn't move from the spot he said, "Swallow, Nozorashi", from. That's precisely why he was standing in the air completely still afterword. Otherwise, give proof that it was 99 miles that he flew in the time it took him to say "Nozorashi".

Seireitei = 3-4 miles

Soul Society = Possibly about 12-15 miles AT MOST

Gremmy's meteor = 1-2 miles. At most.

Madara's/Sasuke's Susano'o = Approx. 3 miles tall.

Madara's rapid fire meteors = 12 MILES

Madara's first two meteors = OVER 12 miles

Madara's meteors couldn't destroy the Seireitei... they could destroy all of soul society.

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And now Kaguya has created a giant, many-miles-across (probably much bigger than the meteors) sphere of absolute death. Really nothing Gremmy could do there.


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Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Madara's/Sasuke's Susano'o = Approx. 3 miles tall.


Madara's Susanoo is not 3 miles tall. Scaling from Madara's height of around 1.8 meters gives his Perfect Susanoo a height somewhere around 500 meters.
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I'm not even gonna bother with the Bleach country/continent-busting nonsense. Seireitei is barely the size of a city. I doubt Soul Society itself is the size of a country.

The stupid in this thread.


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Comparing the sizes, the Shinju's size was larger a blast that dwarfed the mountain-busting explosions, which were calc'd to have a nearly 10 mile radius. Each of the Meteors Madara dropped had greater size than the Shinju's stump, which dwarfed those completely.


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Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Where are you getting this information from? Madara's Susano'o is nowhere NEAR the size of the meteor. In fact, that meteor was even larger than any of the individual ones that he summoned against Naruto and Sasuke. The roots of the Jyuubi tree dwarfed Perfect Susano'o.
I am talking about the meteor he summoned against the 5 kages

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...56846-perfe.png

The meteor is right next to Madara's susanoo, which dwarfs it in size. pretty obvious its not even a mile tall.

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http://i15.mangapanda.com/naruto/676/naruto-4953633.jpg

Look, even when he cut it into fourths, the meteor pieces were STILL bigger than his Susano'o. You say I shot myself in the foot, but you've really done nothing other than prove what I've been saying this whole time. lol
You were initially showing scans of the meteor he hit Onoki with. Why did you suddenly shift to the meteors he used against Naruto and Sasuke?

lel.

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Also, how is mountain sized, "less than a mile"? Mountain's on average are around 4,500 meters tall, meaning that even low-balling it, that makes Madara's Susano'o OVER 3 miles tall.
Madara's susanoo isn't tall enough to reach the clouds, so its only 1 mile at most.

Mountains in Narutoverse aren't that tall. Heck, they dont even have snow on them apart from being below the clouds.


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That, combined with the meteor scaling from Sasuke's Susano'o, makes the meteor MORE than 12 miles wide. That's larger than the meteor that killed the dinosaurs.
While Gremmy's is over 50 miles wide, making it MUCH larger than the one which killed the dinos


If a skyscraper made from Earth is taller than the length of the distance between Earth and the moon, then the skyscraper is MASSIVELY larger than the moon, or at least taller. All you're doing is avoiding logic by trying to say that a pebble is as big as the moon, depending on perspective. The meteor was longer than the distance between it and the ground, which was taller than the mountains. It's that simple. Idiot.


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Yes. Again, you're repeating your senseless dribble. Susano'o is nowhere near the size of the meteors. Even Sasuke's perfect Susano'o, which is the same size as Madara's, was less than a fourth the size of a smaller meteor. Their Susano'o's are large mountain sized, making the meteor mountain range sized. This is roughly country sized, considering that there are mountain ranges almost as big as India.
What nonsense. Mountain ranges vary in length, moron.

4 times the size of a mountain doesn't become a large country ROFL


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Do you even know what scan you just showed? That structure next to Madara's Susano'o was a construct of wood that he and the kage fought on. A structure that was large enough to house his imperfect Susano'o while they fought.
Then prove it.

No it wasn't wood, but Madara's two meteors colliding with each other.

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The scan you gave was broken. I looked up the chapter though, and I can provide it.

http://i15.mangapanda.com/bleach/479/bleach-2972259.jpg

However, what you neglected to admit, is the fact that 1. Not only is Ukitake in an undisclosed location that Shunsui had to shunpo to, which could very possibly be outside of the seireitei, but 2. The scan is debunked by a later scan proving that the mountains were not even there in the first place.
1. Read the whole chapter. Ukitake was inside Seireitei (in his own division) a few pages back, and never went out.

2. Kubo is shit at drawing backgrounds, and misses out important stuff many times. His statements are far more consistent than his drawings.

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This scan proves it was an illusion of some kind. Hell, maybe they called Dumbledore to paint the wall. That's clearly a continent level feat, isn't it? Not to mention that the scan I gave was later on, proving that scan to be incorrect even without it being a genjutsu.
Except that there are no genjutsu users in Bleach.

LMFAO. You are clearly reaching.

Try harder.


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He didn't move from the spot he said, "Swallow, Nozorashi", from. That's precisely why he was standing in the air completely still afterword. Otherwise, give proof that it was 99 miles that he flew in the time it took him to say "Nozorashi".
99 miles? Wat? he may simply be


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Seireitei = 3-4 miles
Even pixel scaling has Seireitei at 20 km rofl.

More like Sokyoku hill = 3-4 miles as it almost reaches the clouds. Which makes Seireitei = 100+ miles, and this is also consistent with yoruichis statement


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Soul Society = Possibly about 12-15 miles AT MOST
> 12-15 miles
> hosts more than 7 billion souls comfortably

U kidding me?

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Gremmy's meteor = 1-2 miles. At most.
Debunked.

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Madara's/Sasuke's Susano'o = Approx. 3 miles tall.

Madara's rapid fire meteors = 12 MILES

Madara's first two meteors = OVER 12 miles
Except that the first two meteors were far smaller. They were barely a few times higher than the trees, and smaller than the susanoo.

Madara's meteors couldn't destroy the Seireitei... they could destroy all of soul society.

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Kaguya's dimensional travel is key in this fight


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[B]I am talking about the meteor he summoned against the 5 kages

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...56846-perfe.png

The meteor is right next to Madara's susanoo, which dwarfs it in size. pretty obvious its not even a mile tall.

You were initially showing scans of the meteor he hit Onoki with. Why did you suddenly shift to the meteors he used against Naruto and Sasuke?

lel.

Madara's susanoo isn't tall enough to reach the clouds, so its only 1 mile at most.

Mountains in Narutoverse aren't that tall. Heck, they dont even have snow on them apart from being below the clouds.


While Gremmy's is over 50 miles wide, making it MUCH larger than the one which killed the dinos


If a skyscraper made from Earth is taller than the length of the distance between Earth and the moon, then the skyscraper is MASSIVELY larger than the moon, or at least taller. All you're doing is avoiding logic by trying to say that a pebble is as big as the moon, depending on perspective. The meteor was longer than the distance between it and the ground, which was taller than the mountains. It's that simple. Idiot.


What nonsense. Mountain ranges vary in length, moron.

4 times the size of a mountain doesn't become a large country ROFL


Then prove it.

No it wasn't wood, but Madara's two meteors colliding with each other.

1. Read the whole chapter. Ukitake was inside Seireitei (in his own division) a few pages back, and never went out.

2. Kubo is shit at drawing backgrounds, and misses out important stuff many times. His statements are far more consistent than his drawings.

Except that there are no genjutsu users in Bleach.

LMFAO. You are clearly reaching.

Try harder.


99 miles? Wat? he may simply be


Even pixel scaling has Seireitei at 20 km rofl.

More like Sokyoku hill = 3-4 miles as it almost reaches the clouds. Which makes Seireitei = 100+ miles, and this is also consistent with yoruichis statement


> 12-15 miles
> hosts more than 7 billion souls comfortably

U kidding me?

Debunked.

Except that the first two meteors were far smaller. They were barely a few times higher than the trees, and smaller than the susanoo.

Madara's meteors couldn't destroy the Seireitei... they could destroy all of soul society.

GG


You know what, I'm not even gonna bother replying to each argument here. You haven't even disproven or challenged a single argument of mine, so here's what I'm gonna say. All you've posted is dribble telling me to provide scans that I have dozens of times before.

You still haven't posted any supporting proof to Seireitei being larger than 4 miles, other than a single, debunked statement from Yoroichi. Either show one piece of evidence discounting my arguments from Seireitei being 4 miles at most, or stop replying.

This is just getting sad.

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Gremmy has not done anything impressive, hell he killed himself trying to imagine more power just to rival zaraki who destroyed his meteor, which required 2 copies of Gremmy to make.

Gremmy is too weak, He can only effect guy weaker then him, otherwise he wouldn't need a meteor to destroy zaraki and call it his strongest attak.

Kayuga wins, She should be Country level.

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Pictured: A one hundred mile in width city, apparently.


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Yeah, if Seireitei is 100x100 miles (are you sure it's not KM?) then Gremmy's meteor is about twice the size of Madara's meteors, which according to these comparisons are roughly 50x50 miles. Difference is, though, that Madara drops dozens of them, and poor Gremmy only drops one.

A singular Biju Dama Rasenshuriken might be enough bust Gremmy's meteor, regardless. And considering Naruto, who is ridiculously weaker than Kaguya, can fire off a half dozen of these at a time, I don't think Gremmy's chances are looking very good. Especially because the meteor was the ceiling of his abilities.

Still, I'm impressed by Kenpachi's current power level if his release has attacks powerful enough to rival or surpass Naruto's BDRS.

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If Sereitei was as big as claimed then the smaller buildings that make it up would be over a mile long.


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Then they're either not as big as you think or not in Seireitei. smile


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If Sereitei was as big as claimed then the smaller buildings that make it up would be over a mile long.


Ah, I see, so it's not a 100 mile city. Then Madara's 50+ mile meteors still reign supreme. By far.

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If Sereitei was as big as claimed then the smaller buildings that make it up would be over a mile long.

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Ah, I see, so it's not a 100 mile city. Then Madara's 50+ mile meteors still reign supreme. By far.
Kubo is terrible at drawings, so using the buildings to scale them is inaccurate.


Fact 1: Yoruichi stated that it takes 10 days to walk from one gate of Seireitei to another.
Even an average human can walk over 100 miles in 10 days

Fact 2: Seireitei has over 12 districts and over 12000 regions: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb...ach-3353131.jpg

Fact 3: The movie Fade to Black was supervised by Kubo. In that, Seireitei is stated to be over 200 spirit miles long.

Fact 4: Seireitei has mountain ranges inside it: http://i15.mangapanda.com/bleach/479/bleach-2972259.jpg

Yep...its atleast 100 miles in length


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You know what, I'm not even gonna bother replying to each argument here. You haven't even disproven or challenged a single argument of mine, so here's what I'm gonna say.
Looks like you cant answer any of my points so I take that as a concession until you answer all of them.

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You still haven't posted any supporting proof to Seireitei being larger than 4 miles, other than a single, debunked statement from Yoroichi. Either show one piece of evidence discounting my arguments from Seireitei being 4 miles at most, or stop replying.

This is just getting sad.

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Look above. And don't tell me you seriously believe that you need 10 friggin days just to cross 2 miles.

I can casually walk 4 miles in less than an hour while having chips.


Btw you just lost all your credibility when you said the whole SS is only 12-15 miles, when it can comfortably hold over 7 billion people and is stated to be a parallel dimension to Earth

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He honestly has no idea what he is arguing against and is so far a fan boy that logic has no place. I stopped a bit ago.


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Kenpachi was hurt by building level lightning. Country level my ass. But seriously. Kubo is bad with numbers.

Naruto countries are massive as it takes 3 days for people who move at transonic speed to go from the Leaf to Sand village. Kaguya/Juubi wiped out the Frost country.

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All this Seireitei drivel doesn't change that Kaguya wins just that Gremmy is more of a threat than one would think. And that would mean accepting it in the first place.

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All this Seireitei drivel doesn't change that Kaguya wins just that Gremmy is more of a threat than one would think. And that would mean accepting it in the first place.


Yep, Naruto countries are continental sized. Kaguya wiped out one on the map.

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Yep, Naruto countries are continental sized. Kaguya wiped out one on the map.


How so when the entire naruto world is one continent.


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Naruto countries are massive as it takes 3 days for people who move at transonic speed to go from the Leaf to Sand village. Kaguya/Juubi wiped out the Frost country.


The Fire country and the Sand country are like 10 times the size of the Frost country. You could fit in like 3-4 Frost countries between Konoha and Suna.

And are you sure Team 7 moved at transonic speeds throughout the entire trip?

In far less than 12 hours, the White Zetsu made it from the Mountains Graveyard to the Land of Lightning.

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How so when the entire naruto world is one continent.


He likely means that one large Naruto-verse country is about the size of one of our Earth's continents.


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