"Tzeentch, (pronounced ZI-nch) known as Tchar, Chen the Deceiver, the Troll Master, Cheenzh, the Raven God, the Trickster, the Cheap Nyarlathotep Ripoff and 9992 other names is the Chaos God of change, lies, Ambition, mutation, Machiavelli, politics, magic, trolls, lulz, lawyers and general weird shit.
He was born some time in the renaissance out of the minds of the human race and the Eldar, so he probably came to be in the 1600's or so in 40k. In Warhammer Fantasy he already existed before the world like the other Chaos Gods, and the Old Ones actively tried to prevent Daemons from ever successfully invading the world by creating the different races of the game in an attempt to find something that could cheese Daemons in every battle until the very Warp Gates that the Old Ones used to come to the planet in the first place collapsed forming miniature Eyes of Terror at the poles of the world (Just as planned). He is said to have an affinity for Ravens amongst the Norse tribes, and Condors amongst Kurgan nomads. There's no real picture for Tzeentch since the weird bastard always changes his appearance every time he sits for his yearbook photo. Some of the more memorable appearances have been: an opaline serpent constantly slithering in-place; a no-neck blue greater daemon with a skin pocked with faces that each repeat what the main head just said with different emphasis or tone; a rainbow-hued cloud of mist that speaks by casting echoes off nearby structures without making the original sound; a featureless green-skinned human in an archaic grey suit with the words "NO PICTURE AVAILABLE" suspended in the air where his face would be; and perhaps the most prominent, a giant imp with two penises growing out of its head. No, srsly. Unless..he could be Slaane-..*URGLBURGL* "
Tzeentch also has has direct relations with Morai-Heg who is a goddess of prophesy who can actively change fate at her will. Morai-Heg is a True Neutral kind of being who ****s with everyone's plans in ways that end up with them indebted to her one way or another. Usually because she manipulates things in a way to force you to come to her to undo the change she already made (you don't know she did this in the first place) and make a third result, which someone else probably asked for due to a change someone else made and...well, let's just summarize it as "Everyone's plans are all going according to plan".
So it say that Tzeench can change fate and destiny... That's kinda O.P to be able to change the outcome of a battle just like that...
Tzeentch finaly "eat her" before that Slaanesh get her.. And all of that in secret...
You cannot fight the troll :
"Tzeentch will always be three steps ahead of you; he out-dicks Eldrad, The Laughing God, both God Emprahs, and the Deceiver hands down. Just an example: He tricked Slaanesh into having a beef with Khorne which the former lost. Why did he do it? He did it for the lulz. "
trooll on the net is like Chaos.
Last edited by Revanchiste on Apr 24th, 2015 at 03:26 PM
So do you have any proof at all that these gods ever even existed in WH40K? Like, are their names ever even mentioned? Even if they did exist, they would make absolutely no difference in the fight.
There are several problems with this article:
1. It doesn't cite any official sources.
2. It doesn't actually back your claim that Tzeentch is in any way omnipotent. Morai-Heg is just another one of those Eldar gods that have more in-universe myths about them than concrete information. She obviously doesn't have the power to change fate to an omnipotent degree, otherwise she wouldn't have been ****ed over by Chaos. Either way, Marvel's cosmic beings can alter fate as well so this doesn't really help.
3. It actually confirms my claim that the Chaos Gods are not timeless: "He[Tzeentch] was born some time in the renaissance out of the minds of the human race and the Eldar, so he probably came to be in the 1600's or so in 40k."
Eldrad, The Laughing God, God Emperor, the Deceiver, Slaanesh, and Khorne have all one thing in common: they are not even a fraction as powerful or possess the kind of Cosmic Awareness that, for example, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet has.
__________________ And from the ashes he rose, like a black cloud. The Sin of one became the Sin of many.
"That is how events are viewed from the chronology of the material universe. In the Warp, things are different, for the Immaterium is not bound by linear time, and events do not occur in a strict sequence of cause then effect. As his rival gods reckon it, Slannesh has always existed in the Warp, and yet has never existed at all"
Yeesss yess yeeeeeeeeeeeeeesss in your face !!!!
Thoughts can destroy or create thousands of universes in the warp
"Here in the Great Ocean, he could be whatever he wanted to be; nothing was forbidden and anything was possible.
Worlds flashed past him as he hurtled through the swelling tides of colour, light and dimensions without name. The roiling chaos of the aether was a playground for titanic forces, where entire universes could be created and destroyed with a random thought. How many trillions of potential lives were birthed and snuffed out just by thinking such things?"
Pg.712 A Thousand Sons
Chaos is older than time
All around him, he could hear the sounds of the future, of warfare and death. The thought that he shared the guilt of the destruction of the Emperor’s dream was the greatest shame and sorrow he had ever known.
An end to it all would be a blessed relief.
Last edited by Revanchiste on Apr 24th, 2015 at 07:56 PM
Where is that quote from? Anyway, the chronology of the material universe and the Warp must be linked in some way because the Eye of Terror appeared in the material universe precisely when Slaanesh was born in the Warp. Also, daemons/Chaos Gods would have been encountered by the Old Ones during the War in Heaven if they were indeed timeless and had always existed. This was not the case, of course.
__________________ And from the ashes he rose, like a black cloud. The Sin of one became the Sin of many.
That is how events are viewed from the chronology of the material universe. In the Warp, things are different, for the Immaterium is not bound by linear time, and events do not occur in a strict sequence of cause then effect. As his rival gods reckon it, Slannesh has always existed in the Warp, and yet has never existed at all
-Codex: Chaos Daemons 6th Edition pg. 16
That is how events are viewed from the chronology of the real universe; in the Warp, things are different. The Realm of Chaos has no true time, and events do not occur in a strict sequence of cuase then effect. In essence, Slaanesh has always exsted in the Warp, and yet had never existed.
-Codex: Chaos Daemons 5th Edition, pg.7
The sheer mind-boggling impossibiliry of the Warp defies
explanation, and those who attempt to delve further into
understanding its ways inevitably slip into madness. Of the
little that is known is that Warp space does not conform to the
laws of physics as we know them.
-Warhamer 40k 6th Edition Rulebook, pg. 144
It is a hurning ocean of chaos, raw emotion and madness given form, where the laws of physics, time and nature are meaningless concepts and nothing is as it seems.
-Warhammer 40k 4th Edition Rulebook pg. 122
In warp space there is no time, no distances, only a constantly flowing stream of immaterium.
-Battle Fleet Gothic Rulebook, pg. 85
It is a roiling, howling maelstorm of force and energy, utterly unpredictable and not subject to the rational laws and linear flow of time in the way that physical reality is.
-Horus Heresy Book 1: Betrayal, pg. 16
Beyond the boundaries of physical space, unrestricted by time or casuality, there is a dimension utterly incomprehensible to mortal minds.
-Codex: Chaos Daemons 6th Edition pg. 6
Beyond the boundaries of physical space, unrestricted by time or casuality, there is a dimension utterly incomprehensible to mortal minds.
-Codex: Chaos Daemons 5th Edition pg. 4
Timeless and ever-shifting, this psychic visionscape is known as the Realm of Chaos
-Codex: Chaos Daemons 5th Edition pg. 6
The Realm of Chaos, also known as the Warp, the Immaterium or Warpspace, is a dimension parallel to our own, a universe devoid of matter and life, without laws of time and space.
There is an universe in the mind of each being, the whole thing could be called the imaginaverse, the warp is the evil version of the imaginaverse.. It tell us about how big it is. + Tzeench can build connection to anykind dimension verse etc.. Thank to his maze, he is just stuck with warhammer 40 000.. Since this is the most interessting scene ever created in his eyes. And since other chaos gods, are here two... So he can troll them for eternity. He even Make Nurgle disappear and re-appear in front of Slaanesh eyes, before telling him that a good sorcerer kepp his tricks secrets.
40K is his favorite playground.
He surely love game of throne but that's all...
+
The warp is the multi/omniverse(or is connected to them)
"The forms the live-things called Chaos, in their limited little ways of perceiving the omni-verse, swarmed and thrived in this infinite ocean of mind and emotion. The daemon moved with Stele. Waiting, waiting and watching for the moment when the thrashing and chattering of the quarry was at its peak. Only then would it strike, lapping up the absolute perfection of its fear, sinking in rending teeth, tearing it to soul- shreds."
Pg.106 Deus Sanguinius
“A miss indicates that the missile has left Warpspace at the wrong point – and this could be anywhere in any of the million universes.”
"In the face of such uncompromising hatred, Humanity must fight like never before. Armies are raised on an industrial scale, fed into the grinding teeth of wars that never end. The Emperor’s realm encompasses a million worlds yet Humanity can muster barely enough warriors to guard against its foes. From the countless, faceless trillions of the Astra Militarum to the super-human Space Marines, from the vast war engines of the knightly houses to the secretive might of the Inquisition, the Imperium’s armies fight tirelessly. Though these legions wield incalculable might, still they are forced back step by grudging step, day by blood-soaked day."
Yess I wasn'twrong for the imperial guard yeeess hum that's good !!!
Last edited by Revanchiste on Apr 24th, 2015 at 09:28 PM
Well, here comes the avalanche of ridiculous hyperbole, misunderstandings of in-universe characters, and outright contradictions. I've never denied that the Warp is a very strange place to mortal minds, but we're talking about Marvel characters who can wipe out entire universes(and I mean, actual universes, not somebody's thoughts in the Warp) that have their own dimensions that are no less strange than the Warp. And they've actually been shown doing so.
Hell, even if we admit that you can create entire universes in the Warp just by thinking, that means that somebody like Galactus in the Warp would still be exponentially more powerful than any Chaos God, or the Emperor, or anyone else. For example, the Emperor's psychic presence(the Astronomicon) covers less than a galaxy. Galactus's psychic presence can easily cover an entire universe.
__________________ And from the ashes he rose, like a black cloud. The Sin of one became the Sin of many.
I haven't seen anything in that thread that the Emperor can create billions of legions just by thinking. Can you show me the actual quote?
Yeah, you were wrong about the Imperial Guard. You said that there were: " There is 48 000 000 000 000 000 000 guards men". That's like sextillions, not trillions.
__________________ And from the ashes he rose, like a black cloud. The Sin of one became the Sin of many.
Chuut I'm just closing from the info.. I found the forum where I first found the info.
I make 3 reasearch there is 783 to reads and only one is good....
If I don't I will have to read 41 page of feats from teh warhammer 40 000 universe.
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/bat...alactus-392751/
It is a notable victory of a tiny stupid glitch Grimlin, that is totaly stupid and lead by anger, overconfident and incompetent over Galactus..
(I was watching the anime as a kidd so I remember him)
he just go insane he is lead by anger over congfidence and totaly stupid selfishness.... And get wreck by superman...
Tzeentch tricked Slaanesh to Attack Khorn and destroy his armor, (Because Slaanesh love you when you are naked....) I think you immagine the reaction of Khorne (the most power and insane god of the berserkers ever imagined).
Within the warp... Mr Mxypztlk would be screwed....
But Tzeentch as the eternal troller never let a good toy die. Look at horus, he gave him immortility at the perfect moment XD.
I know ou deer glitch grilin know how to use the theroies of parrallleles universe and alternatives realities (if I remember in the anime he loveplaying with it...)
But the warp is beyond his comprehension...
And your comprehension...
I bet he get lost in Tzeentch maze if Tzeentch doesn't want him to reach the impossible forteress...
But keep in mind that his essence could be split in two to be absorb by Malal and tzeentch in the same time...
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