Mr. Mxypztlk and Galactus are far greater inside or outside the Warp than anyone in WH40K. Hell, they don't even need to enter the Warp to destroy it.
If nothing is forbidden and anything is possible within the Warp, then anyone entering it would become omnipotent. In reality, this is obviously not the case. And even if we admit that this is true, then the same would apply to Mr. Mxypztlk and Galactus.
__________________ And from the ashes he rose, like a black cloud. The Sin of one became the Sin of many.
"The forms the live-things called Chaos, in their limited little ways of perceiving the omni-verse, swarmed and thrived in this infinite ocean of mind and emotion."
So.... How your limited character can kill the entire omniverse while being stuck in a Multiversal + universe.
And again if they destroy their feeding chaos godds just go asleep and Order godd awake. XD.
The power of a person within the warp his related to his will power. His mind and emotions not his powers.....
If you are able to comprehend what happen within the warp so yhea your are kinda omnipotent, but you will crush eaten or absorb by other chaos godds...
The problem is that there is other person who think within the warp and it is full of daemonic stuff that mindrape you....
Within the warp your are only limitted by the reflect of your soul in the immaterium or will power, your resitance to the big mother****ing orgy that happen hereand don't share similiraties with other chaos godds you have to be unique....
Chaos gods win because their powers never cess to grow....
That's the rule.
P.S : Have you ever wonder why Ynnead is also called gods of paradox? In the materium, he will born when the last eldar will die, in the infinite circuits of eldars craft worlds stuck wihin the webway.. And a very complex stuff..
He will kill Slaanesh forever.. In the immaterium Slaanesh is not even born yet and already dead and have ever existed, in the materium Slaanesh is responsible for eldars decadance death etc and the formation of Ynnead.
So Ynnead can kill erase your grandpa from the entire multi-omniverse + before he was even born XD. (Normaly when we say killing something before it was even born we are talking of the future, right? Did you get it.)
Galactus is far less limited than anyone in WH40K. He'd be a true God within the Warp.
No, he'd destroy everyone regardless of their affiliation to Order or Chaos. In fact, he'd just destroy the Warp itself.
Right, Galactus has a far greater mind and willpower than anyone in WH40K. Do you see where this is going?
Ynnead is a myth/prophecy. We don't really know what it's capable of and whether it will ever be born. Besides, it doesn't take omniversal power to destroy a Chaos God.
__________________ And from the ashes he rose, like a black cloud. The Sin of one became the Sin of many.
More than tzeentch really?
People specialised in Versus battle (the kind of guy who call when we make a moovie about Superman Versus Batman.)
Some guy from death battle...
Determine that YHVH (who satelmate Tzeentch) defeat Galactus.
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Galactus will have to fight the 4 chaos gods to became omnipotent... You should read some quote about teh war between the 4 chaos gods because there is no place for 4 cghaos in the warp...
It's like 4 Galactus trying to eath the same universe but on a much greater scale...
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We are not talking of will power like Revan insane will power.... We are talking about Daemonic will power....
If he destroy everything that source chaos --> the entire life of the entire omniverse (we have seen that tzeench don't really car about other univers because he let die warhammer fantasy... Exeptt if he forsee something interessting.)
gods of order willr ise again....
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Tends to ignore weaker beings so it's possible to set up a trap and surprise him without his notice.
Since traps are Tzeentch speciality. And tzeentch command weaker being even if doesn't have a direct command...
And will be be able to forseen Galatusarrival
The fight end before it even begin end of the story !
Tzeentch is describe as "wining before everythings begin" his only defeat was letting the oppoenent win to wreck him deeper an other day.
There is a chaos quote about that...
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Yeah, more than Tzeentch. I don't know who determined that Tzeentch stalemates God himself, but something tells me that person is full of shit.
There's no place for 4 Chaos Gods in the Warp? So how come there are 4 Chaos Gods in the Warp at the moment(5 if you count Malal)? It doesn't actually matter how many Chaos Gods there are because they're no match for Galactus.
Revan is a mortal. I am talking about Cosmic beings here. You can't really compare them.
Tzeentch let Warhammer Fantasy die? What are you even talking about? If Galactus destroys everything, then the Warp will go back to its neutral state. A state it was before the War in Heaven. That means no Order gods and no Chaos gods.
__________________ And from the ashes he rose, like a black cloud. The Sin of one became the Sin of many.
That's true, but even if Tzeentch or his mortal followers manage to surprise Galactus, they still wouldn't be able to kill him. Then Galactus gets pissed off and obliterates them all.
Also, Galactus has something called Cosmic Awareness. If he bothers to use it, he would know Tzeentch's plans before Tzeentch himself.
__________________ And from the ashes he rose, like a black cloud. The Sin of one became the Sin of many.
Tzeentch possess an artefact that allowhis minions who are in the aura that emit the artifact some total stealth to farsigh power and also erase the empreint in the immatrium of their action etc etc etc...
And an other artifact that project an aura of fear.. The victims within the aura suffer from their worst fear before that they came true with some complex immaterium/materium bullshits.
If you your worst fear is to die starving so you die starving.
It also possess many other powers...
the emperor is unnaffected by this engien since he have no fear.
Most of the space marine and adeptus mechanicus are also unnaffected.
+Auruntaur don't ask me what it does I'm actualy searching the truth...
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What kind of artifacts? The one that emits fear? That's not going to do anything to Galactus, especially if it doesn't affect lesser beings like the Emperor or Space Marines.
What about the blade?
You can't stalemate by scheming a being that can blink you out of existence. You really need to stop treating "scheming" as some sort of a magical superpower that allows you to win against anyone.
I agree that Mr. Mxy is a moron, but he could destroy Tzeentch before he had the time to trick Mr. Mxy into doing anything.
__________________ And from the ashes he rose, like a black cloud. The Sin of one became the Sin of many.
It depend of the psychology of teh character Galactus is the old villan with a tragic back story and insane pwoer that corrupt him and make him over confident and arrogant, and make him think he is invincible but deep in his soul he fear
"You can't stalemate by scheming a being that can blink you out of existence. You really need to stop treating "scheming" as some sort of a magical superpower that allows you to win against anyone."
No me but Tzeentch yeeeess and that's kinda cheating.
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I agree that Mr. Mxy is a moron, but he could destroy Tzeentch before he had the time to trick Mr. Mxy into doing anything."
tzeentch forseen everything and already win before the battle began... So.... How would he have the time to do so...
And Mr Mxy would try a funny way to defeat his opponent but of course will fail...
Since 5D rules are comprehensible for a normal human he put the effort.. Not tzeentch...
Before it start Tzeentch summon an illusion of superman prime raging out before Mr Mxy did something wrong... And he runn away in his 5D world....
Galactus's power has not corrupted him and even if he does feel fear(which I doubt) he feels it nothing like a mortal would. Tzeentch's toys would not be effective on him. They are just not on the same power level.
You can't cheat or outscheme a God because God cheats and schemes better than Tzeentch. Oh, and he can just erase Tzeentch from existence. The same applies to Galactus, by the way.
Before it starts Tzeentch would already be dead.
You mean PIS? Tzeentch doesn't have a magical McGuffin that allows him to defeat anyone, though. I'm also not really sure why you brought Kratos into this. Kratos being able to beat any god isn't really relevant.
__________________ And from the ashes he rose, like a black cloud. The Sin of one became the Sin of many.
Galactus is kinda lonely deadpool that live only to eat planet and mock the mortals habitant of this last and enjoying his god status forgeting that once he was mortal...
There is only one goods of chaos that would survive teh appocalypse created by Ynnead--->Tzeentch...
Eldar hope are lies created by tzeench himself. It's a complex relooping concept that allow tzeentch to star over.
If we follow the theory to the end it explain the Shroninger chaos thingy...
It authorised tzeentch to expirement new story new tactics... And since the chaos is kinda Shroninger, Tzeentch share the same memories that he had in the precedent loop...
Hardly, Galactus takes no pride in what he does (destroying countless civilisations), he does it because he must as a part of the cosmic balance which also means to substain himself in order to keep Abraxas, the multiversal aspect of destruction locked away. It's been mentioned countless times in the comics, that Galactus is beyond Good and Evil, instead he is a force of nature.
Yeah, Galactus is a force of balance in the universe.
I can agree with the theory that the idea of Ynnead could just be a fiction created by Tzeentch, but I can't really figure what you were trying to say with the whole Schrodinger thing. Something got lost in translation there.
Why should it be difficult to erase Tzeentch? Any Cosmic being would be able to do it with ease.
__________________ And from the ashes he rose, like a black cloud. The Sin of one became the Sin of many.
I have quote from him that confirm what I say.... Because his ego, if he can destroy countless civilisatin that because he learn to don't care about them.
Now he can purely mock, human and mortals by saying : "How I remember how delicious your planet was", and his job justify all...
Shroninger chaos :
Schrodinger's Slaanesh/Chaos
That is how events are viewed from the chronology of the material universe. In the Warp, things are different, for the Immaterium is not bound by linear time, and events do not occur in a strict sequence of cause then effect. As his rival gods reckon it, Slannesh has always existed in the Warp, and yet has never existed at all
-Codex: Chaos Daemons 6th Edition pg. 16
Chaos gods (except tzeentch) exist before their creation, but are kinda destroyed forever, but stil live and in the same time, and because there is no time in warp or a ****ep notion of time Ynnead born in the same conditions....
It's a multiparadoxal situation..... 9D world yhea They are kinda undead via paradox, and perfect immortality.
Chaos seem to be like the presence in DC, and chaos gods lower aspects...
Galactus contract the Villan/heroe syndrom in the same time.. Of course he is not a BBEG. But clearly an entity of searching a reason to exist.
Since transition is for puss... (Get chocked)
Tzeench sacred number is nine, 9 IX.... That's why his realm is in 9D....
Next part will be google tranlate this time, sorry my lazyness and we ask you to give your appology... Our we shoot your mom wife and dog !!
Here it is :
Tzeentch is the Master of Magic, the One Who Whisper Words of Power and the Master of the Change. Royal and horrible at the same time, he pulls the strings of magic and destiny from his kingdom, scrutinizing the skein of the future and the past to manipulate the world at will. This is the most generous of the Chaos gods, granting favors to those who ask, but the price of those present is the worst. He is the master of lies and subterfuge, secret powers that act behind the scenes, sinister pacts and market fooled. Tzeentch is the largest source of Chaos magic, and many of his servants are black magisters or individuals who play with occult forces. Even those who turn away from him recognize it as a primary source of magic.
The true intentions of Tzeentch are impenetrable. If he tries to dominate the world, its methods are at least indirectly, and it seems he prefers to use others as a pawn to carry out his plans. Tzeentch like corrupt mortals by assigning powers too powerful for them, especially Magisters, priests and other magic users. Mortals who do not have the gift of magic, Tzeentch promises of secret knowledge and means to cut down their rivals.
With the notable exception of Nurgle, Tzeentch sees the other gods of Chaos as forces of change, and therefore it is content to let them exist without really harming them.
Tzeentch is universally recognized as the Dread Lord of Magic. It is associated with all the magicians and also to those who seek power to satisfy their personal purposes. Tzeentch mocks invoking it as that person is ready to pass a Faustian pact that will allow him to gain power and magical knowledge in exchange for his will and his soul.
I am afraid that quote contradicts what we're actually shown and told in 40K lore. Even so, time paradoxes are nothing new to Cosmic beings. They'd sort it out in a snap. Also, don't compare Chaos to The Presence. Chaos is less than a drop in the ocean next to The Presence.
Tzeentch's sacred number has nothing to do with dimensions. All of the Chaos Gods exists in the same dimension, yet they all have different sacred numbers.
__________________ And from the ashes he rose, like a black cloud. The Sin of one became the Sin of many.
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