This thread is nearly PEFECT!. The ONLY issue i have is with a couple timeline placements; I'd say Morrison's JLA was BEFORe the Mongul trainin upgrade at the beginning of Loeb/ Berganza era.
Now Warworld's tendril that was connecting to Earth. It was so strong that a suicide attempt by Maxima and Massacre was just enough to send a shiver through it.
Superman sundipped and effortlessly broke the conduits/tendrils magnified hundredfold in power when normal Superman couldn't take it on at normal level along with several top tiers.
This is a doozy. You know when Superman ripped Darkseid from source wall? That has happened once before and it took Metron weakening source wall and a fricking Promethean Giant to do it.
How do you interpret Cosmic Armor Superman's metafictional feat in Superman Beyond 3D?
Some said that he is far beyond DC "story" and above even Presence or WF mxy because they are still within DC "story".
Others said that Cosmic Armor is only Skyfather level because of statement about "heat of 10 billion sun".
What tier do you put him?
Last edited by CatL18 on Oct 30th, 2016 at 11:06 PM
^ Thought-Robot was =/> than Mandrakk I, who represented the essence of 'evil story' on a metatextual level, and had been siphoning the multiverse's Bleed into himself for eons. Due to Thought-Robot's adaptive/dynamic nature, he and Mandrakk continuously became more and more powerful as the story progressed. The battle finally ended when Thought-Robot pushed Mandrakk into the Overvoid -- the mind of the Primal Monitor.
To put the original Mandrakk's power into perspective, even his vastly weaker iteration [Rox Ogama/Mandrakk II] was >> Spectre+Radiant. It ultimately required a wish from the Miracle Machine, in conjunction with direct intervention from SuperJudge Nix Uotan(who was acting in a multiversal capacity), to overcome him.
That being said, Thought-Robot was about as powerful as a character/item/object can be within the realm of in-universe story... Beyond multiversal. The notion that it was Skyfather-level is absurd, and likely propagated by people who either a.) are trying to downplay it by any means(no matter how ridiculous), b.) simply did not comprehend the source material, OR c.) a mixture of both.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Oct 31st, 2016 at 01:45 AM
In fact, i can understand that power level of Cosmic Armor depends on how people interpret metafictional concept by Grant Morrison in Superman Beyond 3D and other Morrison's story(because Morrison's story are related to each other).
So, i can understand that there are difference about how people interpret CAS, and there are people who treat CAS as ridiculous.
But, considering only that Bleed space encompasses DC "story"(because Bleed is ink) and how tiny is Bleed space from higer sphere, CAS being only Skyfather level is nonsense, i think.
Do most people discussing CAS in all over the internet actually read Final Crisis and Superman Beyond 3D(and Supergods written by Morrison)?
Or, do people misunderstand Superman Beyond 3D because it is too metafictional?
Or, do people discuss without reading?
Last edited by CatL18 on Oct 31st, 2016 at 08:08 AM
a). Update the thread with post-Crisis/pre-Flashpoint Superman feats post-Rebirth
or
b). Wait until mid-year after the Superman crossover/Rebirth reveals are done, to see what's the deal with New 52 Superman/this version [Pre-Flashpoint].
Now, my assumption is that they will merge/it will be revealed that they're the same character, in which case:
1). I have to update this thread with New 52 Superman feats [since they're the same character]
2). Also add the feats from Rebirth up to the merging/reveal.
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