High end feats do matter. As long as they make sense with respect to power sets, logic, and general history.
Spidey knocking Firelord out is pretty much the benchmark "bullshit" example. Or, say, Batman kicking Captain Marvel into a mountain for a KO.
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This is a better example. Which one do we accept, the majority or the minority? Do we accept 95% of a character showings or do we base our judgment off of the 5% of their high end showings while ignoring the more consistent of their fts? Common sense to me. If we accept Highs, like I've said before, Hulk can give Galactus a run for his money. Nothing short of Eternity himself is beating Thor, and Gladiator can't be damaged by anything less than a solar system buster. Let's not even talk about what Surfer can do. He should be able to mud stomp anything short of Odin, with ease and his fights against Thanos is PIS since he didn't even use a fraction of his power. That's all this takes is a little thinking. Just a Lil bit.
Example. Hulk nearly overpowers an Abstract.
Or i can post Hulk fight against Nightcrawler that destroyed a freaking universe.
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Is this a start off for Hulk as well? Where does this end? Do we discredit all of Hulk showings and focus on the highs? Really? Like I've said, this is common sense.
Well considering that there's only been like, 2 or 3 planet busting feats for DB ever, yeah according to your own argument, we shouldn't use a minority over a majority
Well I'm certain you can figure it out
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Don't think you get it. No where has it been said that Goku can't destroy a planet. No where has Goku failed to destroy a planet. We know DBZ capabilities. We know that on average, if they want to destroy a planet, they can. What we know about Superman is, he flew in a black hole, then he fought against numerous of beings that koed him with far less power. What we know is Superman benched a planet but his punching power has been mountain busting level, even at his highest. We see him admit he can't destroy a planet. This goes on and on and on. If Superman would've benched earth and had more showing backing that up instead of 50 thousand showings going against him, he would be a consistent planetary being but as well all know, that isn't the case. Goku never destroyed a planet but how do we know he can? Because he's far more powerful than planet busters. Frieza for example. He has the statements along with the fts of being a planet buster. He destroyed one, then we have Piccolo saying what he can do, then we have Goku telling us his capabilities, King Ki, Vegeta...the list goes on and on. Same with Cell, same with Buu...the list goes on and on and some of these people pale in comparison to Goku. The consistency is on point in DBZ. Don't hate me because the guy you are voting for is all over the place 99.9% of the time. I'm hoping you all know what 'on average' means.
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And has also fought those that demonstrate planetary force. Also does he not say precisely that against one of those new gods and Konvikt? Anyhow, so to you a character must constantly demonstrate a certain level and have statements? Well now you've put the nail in your FTL coffin, right?
Edit: Seeing as we're playing this ridiculous game, how about we see the speed, durability, and physical stats (strike strength and durability) that DBZ has to offer?
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99.9% of Superman's showings are of him holding back. Mental blocks and what not. His "high end feats" are what he is always capable of when he wants to let loose.
When do I ever join a thread with Goku in it saying he is going to pummel anyone at FTL speeds? The only time I bring up FTL is when you all downplay the character.
Who has Superman fought that has destroyed planets?
During what scene? Every hero holds back. Doesn't mean their durability, strength, and speed is held back during certain circumstances. Goku always hold back as well, does that discredit all of his showings as well?
You guys are pitting his argument against him, but what you apparently fail to realize is that DBZ only has barely over 500 chapters. Most of these other series have thousands of issues, probably hundreds of thousands of chapters altogether. Taking that all into account, nearly 99% of the Superman's can't planet bust, nearly 99% of the Hulks can't either, etc, etc.
Either way, there are different versions of all the characters EXCEPT Goku. Only different cannon sources for him, and there are only three of those(manga, anime, Daizenshuu). DBZ feats/statements are a hundred times more consistent than those of any comic I can think of, with the anime versions solo-ing most of the DC and Marvel verses.
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