I see what you mean here. I really do. I myself am chalking it up to PIS.(because of how much they stress normal ki cant defeat a god) I will gladly change my stance but I might need more "concrete" evidence to prove normal Ki can affect gods. He had no sign of any damage after the assault.(no scratch/blood dripping down his lip)
I compare this to how batman can bloody superman/spectre...for the plot and to give batman badass moments
and Goku never thought he couldnt reach Raditz level.
Hell when Goku becomes a god he says he would have never been able to reach that on his own. No matter how much time he had.
Why would goku himself say that no matter how much power he has he would not be able to beat Beerus?
How much more proof do you need besides him clearly causing Bills to bleed?
That's a little different imo. Neither Superman or Spectre has claimed that "only this can harm me" before being harmed by other things. Basically you are willfully ignoring evidence to fit a per concieved notion
Point is he has felt gaps were too "large to overcome" in the past and has shattered them quite often. This is really no different.
Why would Goku say he couldn't have defeated Fat Buu only to say later that he could have easily? He exaggerates.
Do you really think Toriyama put in all this effort to show the tiniest amount of blood coming from Beerus mouth to show he can be affect by normal ki?
You actually have to watch the fight multiple time and stop the movie at the right time to really see the blood at all.
Wayyyy to much over analyzing...
Toriyama forgot about SSJ2. He just isn't that big into detail. He had character say things like gods cant be hurt by normal ki to enlighten the viewers and give them information about the new character introduced.
So you just want to ignore what actually happened. Whether it was a mistake, or an oversight doesn't matter. It happened.
Just like Cell getting his head blown off by Goku and later stating "as long as my head is ok I can't die". Do we just go back and say "Well Goku didn't really blow off his upper body, we can ignore it"? Nope. Still happened.
Although I believe it was changed later to "as long as a cell remains..." but still. We don't overlook feats in favor of conjecture. Perhaps Bills just never faced "normal ki" that was strong enough to affect his "godly ki" so he can to the conclusion that no normal ki could. Very simple reason. But if we give into this "nothing but godly ki" stuff than we give him a no limits fallacy.
This thread has devolved into levels of utter stupidity that are literally embarrassing to watch. I have never seen someone(abhi and quanchi notwithstanding) who has consistently ignored on-screen evidence to this extent.
Vegeta gained a momentary rage-boost which allowed him to cause [albeit minor] damage to Beerus--this was made evident by Vegeta's strikes CLEARLY causing blood to fling from Beerus' mouth. ie. Normal ki CAN, and DID, harm Godly ki. Arguing what was explicitly shown on screen is so laughably idiotic that it borders on trolling. Stop it.
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I actually never said he could not be hurt by normal ki.
I said it was a laughable to think he was hurt and compared it to glass hurting SS4 Goku as you said SS4 Goku>Bills, and it was also laughable that you tried to lie and tell us all that Vegeta was more powerful then God Goku and that Bills and Whis were talking about Vegeta when they were clearly talking about Goku.
So you have lost on all accounts.
FYI, You are the one who keeps insulting even though you reported me for insulting. Do you understand now? SMH
"Some blood for amusement purposes does not equal being hurt.
Was SS4 Goku hurt by the glass, Or is Goku hurt by Bulma or Krillen the multiple times they have slugged him?"
You specifically said Bills wasn't hurt, even though he was bleeding. Do you even understand the level of stupidity that entails to you?
What is your point in saying SSJ4 Goku was hurt by glass? The Z-fighters have been hurt by less, when they had their power levels lowered. Why do you think Goku also lost to a human child in GT? The entire series was chock full of PIS that the authors introduced to keep the little kids happy. However, that doesn't change the power scaling from Z to GT, considering base GT Goku was stronger than Buu and Gohan, in DBZ. That is a MONSTROUS power boost, considering SSJ3 Goku didn't do as good against Bills in DBZ as even Mr. Buu did. That means Base Goku in GT would do BETTER against Bills than Buu and Gohan did. And since I'm sure you know that SSJG is a 50X boost to SSJ3, that means SSJ1 GT Goku would be equal to or greater than SSJG Goku in DBZ.
Also, I never ONCE said that Vegeta > SSJG Goku. I said he accomplished a feat that even SSJG Goku didn't, which means he was AT LEAST close to SSJG Goku's level of strength. I pointed out the statements that Vegeta was stronger than Goku, to prove he was greater than SSJ3, which was obvious. Either way, SSJ2 Vegeta was able to hurt Bills, who has godly ki. Whether Bills was surprised, or his ki was suppressed, it proves that with enough normal ki, you can kill someone with godly ki, which is the opposite of what you have been arguing, saying that Vegeta didn't hurt Bills.
So even though you admitted Gogeta would win, you still wasted all this time and effort complaining about Bills's blood not being an indicator of his own injury. Which is bs, as everyone on here, other than brem, has told you a dozen times.
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