Again: In the manga, Freeza was using 3% power initially. Once he saw that Goku could pose a [albeit slight] threat to him, he powered up to 50%--he just wanted to pummel Goku into nothingness. After Freeza began using 50% power, Goku began using KKx10--which Freeza utterly stomped. Once Goku realized that his power was still nothing, he went for broke with the KKx20+Kamehameha. This put him on par with Freeza for the few brief moments he was able to sustain it(2 pages in the manga), which is why said attack(s) were able to cause slight damage to Freeza.
The above also coincides perfectly with the power levels listed in the Daizenshuu:
Base Goku=3m
Base Goku(KKx10)=30m
Base Goku(KKx20)=60m
Freeza(50%)=60m
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I'll be surprised if Freeza's new form is much different than his current final form, tbh. As he did with SSJG Goku's look, I have a feeling that Toriyama will go the "less is more" route with Freeza's God form as well. /shrug
...Hopefully I'm wrong, though.
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Can't help but think Cooler though. He says he has the same number of forms that Freeza had, besides his further increase. And if Cold and Chilled prove anything its that the forms are similar in appearance, if with some pallet changes or minor edits.
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Cooler isn't a canon DB character, though, so we can't really take his statements as fact.
So far as manga canon is concerned, Freeza's only known relatives are his father(King Cold), and his unnamed mother. We know Freeza has(or at least had) a mother, because he mentioned his parentS(plural) while fighting Goku: "You're the first one who's ever put a speck of dust on my body... Besides my parents."
Don't get me wrong, it'd be very cool if Akira canonized Cooler(and especially Chilled) in this film, but I'm just not confident that he will...
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He isn't canon, no, but he was still designed by Akira as was Chilled. Regardless of their canon place through his eyes, their design should still be taken into account as much as anything else in the manga.
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The problem with using Cooler's transformation is it was already established that a n00b-SSJ can effortlessly beat it.
It wouldn't make sense for Freeza to transform into the exact same form as Cooler, but inextricably be thousands of times more powerful(to the point where he can now contend with, and/or beat, SSJG Goku)... Especially when we consider Cooler's statement that their powers were fairly close(with a slight edge to Freeza) prior to his discovery of a 5th form.
That's why I'm really hoping it's not *just* a new biological transformation... Fingers are crossed that there is a lot more behind it.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Dec 30th, 2014 at 12:33 AM
That's exactly what I mean. If it is a biological change Akira is already shown with his art in what direction it's most likely to follow, under normal conditions. Something that can only work if either its that k-times boost (ridiculous as far as the series is concerned) or Freeza has been through the jailhouse workout regime all the way past SS3 levels (If what I hear about his true form stalemating current base Goku is correct, throw this one out).
I think miracle, wished upon or a God-Ki Freeza is the only thing that makes sense.
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Toriyama does like the "less is more" subversion. The god of destructions mentor, and most powerful character in the universe, is basically a sushi and pudding eating Okama.
Perfect Cells pretty much the only final boss who looks like a final boss.
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I know it's typically a common trend for Toriyama, but I think "less is more" is being used too much now... I mean we already got that with Frieza's current final form (minus when it bulks up as he goes somewhere from 70 to 100%), so having another 'less is more' form for Frieza would just be.. meh.
In shorter terms, give us something over the top again. We already got enough "less is more" from Battle of the Gods with the SSJG form.
I wouldn't mind Frieza having something resembling Cooler's final form just because I love the design, but if we get something else that's opposite of "less is more", it'd be fine too.
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I rather still get a few movies with a less is more design mentality, give it time to get established and then introduce mega evolu- I mean, mega transformations.
Personally, I'd wager that Freeza will stay more or less the same upon activating his 'God form', with maybe some very small changes... Though I must admit that a transformation like this would be awesome to see: (please log in to view the image)
Either way, there had better be some sort of halfway decent explanation behind how he's become powerful enough to match the Saiyans. If he gains THAT big of an increase JUST by discovering a biological 5th form(like Cooler), I'll be pissed/sickened.
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