Yoda and Mace put up defenses against Sidious's lightning? Hmmm, somebody should have told Mace trying to absorb it would been a better use of his energies.
Are you ready to admit you're ****ing retarded? Stalemate? I mean goddamn. For someone how claimed the novel is the end all be all, you sure act like you've never read it.
Regardless are you denying that Galen was able to dish out similar attacks as Yoda at Sidious in these scans and that he was able to defend against the following lightning for a time while Yoda was not?
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I sure would, if these battles were even remotely comparable and if Marek was actually able to defend against the same type of attack. But that would require context, now, wouldn't it?
Okay, since you're insistent on being ****ing retarded, I'll say this as simply as possible. Sidious not only wanted Marek alive, to replace Vader, he also wanted the Rebels, get this dead. He's not targeting Starkiller. He's targeting the Rogue Shadow which is considerably larger than a person and thus can't be hit with one bolt. And even then, Marek needed Oneness to compete. In short, you've said some idiotic things in the past, but this just takes the cake.
If the class was canceled then study on your own instead of wasting time with us, autistic losers
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Let's just say that the statement in question is a metaphor.
Yes; the two Force powers are intrinsically different in nature and affect the external environment differently accordingly. It is silly to compare the two powers in the aspect of destroying solid matter. Force Drain powers are intended to consume soft targets (only); the most powerful expressions of Force Drain might pack sufficient kinetic energy to collapse structures and cause seismic activity in the region but these developments are not intentional.
A comparison between the two only makes sense in the context of assessing the level of difficulty involved in conjuring an expression of Force Drain power that is potent enough to kill a world and conjuring a Force Storm that can achieve similar results.
We have quantitative evidence of the number of individuals involved in making a Nathema-like event possible; nearly the entire Jedi Order. Alternatively, it takes a Force Wound-based feeding monstrosity (i.e. Darth Nihilus) to pull-off the same. Its a demonstration of a godlike power as per the standards of Star Wars saga.
Coming towards the Force Storm; an ancient but powerful artifact Dark Staff could be used to conjure this power but Force-users could learn the technique as well. However, it might take a group of average Force-users to conjure one successfully.
Palpatine had spent years mastering the technique and he also utilized the entire populace of planet Byss as a reservoir of energy to fuel his power; therefore, he was able to conjure a Force Storm on his own. However, I believe that he still had limitations in this regard.
Valkorion is as close to being godlike as an individual can get, IMO.
My friend, I tend to do some homework before making an assertion.
Revan's holocron revealed that Force Drain powers are really difficult to master and utilize offensively. This revelation is reinforced by the fact that Darth Bane really struggled in the use of such powers (he drew strength from the nexus setting in the process) and he is an example of a powerful Sith Lord. Of-course, select-few Force-users might be gifted in the use of Force Drain powers but this doesn't implies that they had it easy.
Yes. This is my point as well.
But member Beniboybling is arguing otherwise.
Of-course, this would be a monstrous telekinetic feat. However, not much of a challenge for the likes of Valkorion.
You agreeing with me or him?
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Okay, I'm not going to indulge this attempt to justify yourself by debating semantics, so moving on.
My argument is that because of the proportion of Vitiate's attack, Revan was unable to contain the bolts and therefore, unable to attempt to absorb them. The lightning therefore struck his body unmitigated, meaning Vitiate largely circumvented rather than overpowered his defense.
Clear? Cool. Now I will concede that the text does not exclude the possibility of Revan mitigating or at least attempting to mitigate some of Vitiate's lightning (though explicitly not all), but I'd also point that it remains equally possible he mitigated none, seeing as the text does not mention him doing so, and if anything is more likely because of that.
Which brings me onto your other point, that its supposedly impossible for that the latter to be the case for stated reasons.
To which I'd respond that, as I have said in the past, that what is impossible is that Nyriss would be incapable of defending herself against her own attack and not only that but be killed by it, without extenuating circumstances. Just as it would be impossible and illogical to conclude Nyriss can one shot an individual equal to her in strength. Logically speaking her barrier would have cancelled it out, or at least mitigated its lethality.
So either her defenses are and were just atrocious, Revan significantly added to its strength, and/or the act of conjuring a Force storm intended to one shot Meetra and Scourge left her in the immediate aftermath exhausted, and therefore highly vulnerable.
Either way it makes your comparison inadequate.
Though as far as I'm concerned, partially mitigated or not at all, his tutanimis was not applied successfully, and he would have done potentially a lot better if Vitiate had unleashed a concentrated stream he could contain.Besides the point really, however I will point out that:
1. Who said they didn't? It was branded a forbidden power by the Jedi, and there's no evidence to suggest Palpatine learnt the technique from a holocron.
2. Much like Force drain, it evidently scales with the power of the wielder. At its most basic level a Force storm is just the creation of a hyperspace wormwhole, whereas the destructive power Palpatine affected is unprecedented.
You pulled that out of your ass, Windu was in no position to defend himself at all and Yoda reacted too slowly to do anything. Oh and in the novel he hits him full on in mid air, still didn't die. I argued that knocking out a defenseless (in the respect he failed to erect a barrier/absorb the attack etc.) Yoda >= knocking out a defenseless Arcann, yes. Not sure how that makes me a hypocrite.Hot damn! Maybe its those passive defenses your expressly denying the existence of! You having been reading my responses, right?Regarding Ventress I was referring to this moment:
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When he was not weakened and absolutely wanted her dead.
Granted he probably refrained from killing Anakin but then he struggles just render the guy unconscious here despite Annie being weakened and in a Force grip:
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There are plenty more examples (like Arcann being struck by Valkorion's lightning head on without so much as a burn to show for it) I can do this all day. Err, no, that's actually exactly what I'm referring to. And for the record Syndicate called them innate, not me. To be specific we are talking about passive defenses trained Force users have instinctively about them in a combat situation (or in many cases all the time), that require no gesture to erect and provide limited protection against Force based attacks, including lightning. Hence why when a Force user is struck head on by lethal lightning, they do not die.
Passive defenses Revan would obviously have about himself in combat against Emperor Vitiate, therefore, if the attack was unmitigated by his tutanimis, we've no reason to assume he'd be incinerated.
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The Darkstaff was only able to create a hyperspace wormhole, not the destructive power Palpatine could unleash.
Incorrect, that only allowed him to conjure them with ease. His most potent Force storm was conjured without any external aid, seemingly with ease regardless, and while weakened no less.
Mar 28th, 2016 11:03 PM
Err, no, that's actually exactly what I'm referring to. And for the record Syndicate called them innate, not me. To be specific we are talking about passive defenses trained Force users have instinctively about them in a combat situation (or in many cases all the time), that require no gesture to erect and provide limited protection against Force based attacks, including lightning. Hence why when a Force user is struck head on by lethal lightning, they do not die.
