Again I was just providing the quote Tempest was referring to, the Book of Anger states Sidious has learned the Force storm technique:
With this knowledge, I can unleash the dark side energies that swirl invisibly around us, even to shatter the fabric of space itself. In this way, I have created storms.
You specifically said ROTJ. Since you can't prove that, move on.
__________________ There's a man goin' 'round takin' names.
An' he decides who to free and who to blame.
Everybody won't be treated all the same.
There'll be a golden ladder reaching down.
When the man comes around.
Find out. And timeline. Because from what I remember, he did not have this knowledge until after his death at Endor.
__________________ There's a man goin' 'round takin' names.
An' he decides who to free and who to blame.
Everybody won't be treated all the same.
There'll be a golden ladder reaching down.
When the man comes around.
Neph, if you can't drop it, we might as well close this thread and go resume regular business where both sides nitpick and piss and moan about the constant nitpicking and the trolling and mockery that ensues. You wanted honest debate, I'm providing the platform. 👍
It's relevant in the sense that it is possible to destroy fleets with powers other then Force Storm (Wormhole).
I see double-standards here. You want me to acknowledge the possibility of Darth Sidious having the ability to conjure up a Force Storm (Wormhole) large enough to ravage an entire planet, but did you give Emperor Vitiate same benefit of doubt vis-a-vis Revan's assertion about his potential to ravage an entire planet single-handedly? Nope.
So how does it feels to be on the receiving end now? huh?
Solid proof?
Top showings of Sidious's Force Storm (Wormhole) power fall much short of ravaging entire planets in scale. Your argument is Sidious's intent, but why would a Sith Lord hold back from mass destruction with the potential to achieve it?
Depending upon the size of Force Storm (Wormhole) power, it might be possible to ravage an entire world with it. However, Sidious's demonstrations are not on par.
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A planet is a much larger object.
1.Darth Rivan's intent is unknown.
2. Because his powers were sapped and he was slain in the battle of Ruusan by virtue of being defenseless.
3. Darkstaff conjured a Force Storm (Wormhole) of such intensity that it teleported Rivan to future.
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BTW I just wanted to say that I read through Ant's Dread Master's respect thread recently and they really are bonkers powerful. Anyone saying that Vader or someone can solo them is a ****ing lunatic, those guys are insane. They can teleport, travel through time, revive the dead and do all sorts of crazy feats.
If Vitiate really is more powerful than them collectively he is by far the most powerful Sith.
Ok, let's close the thread. Or better yet, you can just stay out of it and let everyone else who wants to discuss in an honest fashion do so unmolested.
Your cooperation in this respect would be appreciated.
If you actually payed attention instead of throwing a knee-jerk hissy fit you'd see that I actually conceded to most of Beni's points and instead stressed what we agreed was acceptable, that Sidious' hype was unsubstantiated in that he can tear the surfaces off worlds but the extent is unknown.
__________________ There's a man goin' 'round takin' names.
An' he decides who to free and who to blame.
Everybody won't be treated all the same.
There'll be a golden ladder reaching down.
When the man comes around.
You have guys on both sides that exaggerate or flat out make up shit. What do you expect?
__________________ There's a man goin' 'round takin' names.
An' he decides who to free and who to blame.
Everybody won't be treated all the same.
There'll be a golden ladder reaching down.
When the man comes around.
I don't think they could time travel, I think it was an illusion... Pre-DE is ROTJ lol.
The Book of Anger, one of three volumes of a compendium called Absolute Power was written at the beginning of Darth Sidious reign as Galactic Empire, and prior to his first death aboard the Death Star:
The following three books - The Weakness of Inferiors, The Book of Anger, and The Manipulation of Life - present how I have achieved absolute power, how I shall maintain it through the agency of my Galactic Empire, and how I will reshape the galaxy throughout the ages to come.
No, All Sith Lords performed the same ritual. Difference is that when the resultant nexus of the dark side spread across the planet, it is at this stage that Emperor Vitiate turned on his allies and utilized the nexus against them.
Did Darth Sidious create one?
Does Sidious have a matching accomplishment?
Children numbered in hundreds, at minimum:
By the time of the Great War, hundreds of the Emperor's Children were embedded within the Republic. Devoted Jedi, loyal soldiers, and influential politicians all unknowingly served as the Emperor's spies and, when the Emperor willed I, acted to tear down the Republic they held so dear.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
Still, a fantastic feat.
Children and Imperial Guard combined, definitely numbered in thousands.
No, it is demonstration of Vitiate's power.
Try to comprehend the difference between winning a fight with a lightsaber and without one. Lightsaber makes killing convenient.
Sure:
The Emperor escaped destruction on Yavin 4, and now his presence has been felt on the planet Ziost, once powerful throne world of the Sith Empire. You are called upon again to face this galactic menace when your allies realize that the entire planet's inhabitants have been mind-controlled.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Community News "Welcome to Game Update 3.2: Rise of the Emperor"
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As the Sith Emperor gradually dominates the free will of everyone on Ziost, both Lana Beniko, Minister of the newly formed Sith Intelligence, and Theron Shan, a spy for the Galactic Republic, are trying to stop the chaos.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor
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Sidious did not mindwipe the entire populace of Byss, at any point in history. You are wrong.
Vitiate's sorcery devastated the atmosphere of the planet, a development that would doom the plants as well.
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Exactly, so Vitiate was attacking them, and thus wasn't a victim himself.
He's often linked with Byss, yeah.
So 1/10th of what you were attempting to pass off.
A demonstration that we didn't see.
I daresay the Dark Side of the Force is a more convenient and powerful killing weapon than a laser sword.
Thx.
Temp's probably the one to ask about that, but I think there is mention of it in either the Dark Side Sourcebook or the Dark Empire Sourcebook.
What I was referencing is the fact that the humans seemed to vanish, while the rest of the life on Ziost just died normally as if they were different. Pretty shitty visual choices on BioWare's part, really.
The meaning is pretty clear: Force storms can tear the surfaces off worlds. Trying to determine (irrelevant) specifics from the statement is pointless and impossible. Could refer to something as random as depth of 12 feet or the entire planetary crust or anything in between.
I don't see how fruitful or productive the conversation will be when nothing can be ascertained with mathematical exactitude.
On the flip side, I see a potential to derail the conversation into nitpicking and dishonesty on both sides. Neph will disregard the quote entirely on the grounds that specifics aren't given, which will open the door for his opponents to put every single quote about Vitiate under scrutiny on the same grounds, which in turn will cause the pro-Vitiate faction to do the same and wham! you have total impasse and the discussion dies.
May 5th, 2015 01:11 PM
Pre-DE is ROTJ lol. 
