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Juk3n
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Getting knocked out by a peer in strength is hardly a low showing. It was pretty clear that Hulk would have won that fight if it kept going.

If it kept going? you mean if ironman didn't end the fight by KNOCKING HULK OUT? Hard for a fight to "keep going" if one person makes the other unconscious.

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It was a sneak attack.

Now you're implying Hulks durability is dependent upon his bracing for an attack? How many times has Hulk been hit from behind with no effect?

According to marvel movie continuity. Ironman is the strongest one the is.

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Wasn't hulk coming out of his fog (losing the rage amp to his strength and durability in the process) when he got sucker punched by HB?

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It was a sneak attack.

Regardless, Hulk had his teeth knocked out before that, and got KO'd shortly after.

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Wasn't hulk coming out of his fog (losing the rage amp to his strength and durability in the process) when he got sucker punched by HB?

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Wasn't hulk coming out of his fog (losing the rage amp to his strength and durability in the process) when he got sucker punched by HB?

Yep, he was. There's a lot of context to that showing. When they were fighting face to face, Ironman couldn't slow Hulk down.

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Regardless, Hulk had his teeth knocked out before that, and got KO'd shortly after.

So even though Hulk ripped Ironman arm off and was ripping his suit to shreds, the only thing that caught your attention is a tooth being knocked out? Gotcha.

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So even though Hulk ripped Ironman arm off and was ripping his suit to shreds, the only thing that caught your attention is a tooth being knocked out? Gotcha.

He ripped his arm off and, I'd think less of him if he hadn't. Still he got his ass beat and teeth knocked out..then KO'd..

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He ripped his arm off and, I'd think less of him if he hadn't. Still he got his ass beat and teeth knocked out..then KO'd..

Hulk was dominating the fight. The onky advantage Ironman truly had was during the time the spell wore off.

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Hulk was dominating the fight. The onky advantage Ironman truly had was during the time the spell wore off.

I don't recall Tony getting hurt, losing teeth, or getting KO'd.

Fact is Hulk should have won, considering he was bloodlusted.

He ended up losing with less teeth then he started.

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The fight had clear writer bias, Hulk took an upswing moljnir to the face in AV1 with no ill effect, and now Tony knocked a tooth out? Its ok to admit is aswell. Movie Hulk, as of AV1 and 2, isn't consistent. And I think Joss was pandering to the masses rather than the fans, so he wants everyone to take 'Hulkbuster' at face value and credit it's name as its description also.

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The fight had clear writer bias, Hulk took an upswing moljnir to the face in AV1 with no ill effect, and now Tony knocked a tooth out? Its ok to admit is aswell. Movie Hulk, as of AV1 and 2, isn't consistent. And I think Joss was pandering to the masses rather than the fans, so he wants everyone to take 'Hulkbuster' at face value and credit it's name as its description also.

We are talking about Carver here, anyone else we could prolly have a reasonable debate but he does the "Who? What? When? Where? Why?" too much, he doesn't listen to anything but himself and will ignore anything that makes Hulk look bad, and then on the contrary make whatever he does more then it was..

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The fight had clear writer bias, Hulk took an upswing moljnir to the face in AV1 with no ill effect, and now Tony knocked a tooth out? Its ok to admit is aswell. Movie Hulk, as of AV1 and 2, isn't consistent. And I think Joss was pandering to the masses rather than the fans, so he wants everyone to take 'Hulkbuster' at face value and credit it's name as its description also.

Or it means Ironman is stronger than Thor. no expression

I didn't see anything wrong, especially if we consider the context that happened during the end.

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Or it means Ironman is stronger than Thor.

I didn't see anything wrong, especially if we consider the context that happened during the end.

Look at the two situations again. Thors Upswing had WAY more momentum in it and he was definitely trying to KO Hulk because Hulk would have broke the helicarrier.

Ironman was also trying to KO hulk, but aside from him saying 'go to sleep, go to sleep' (again for comic effect) the hits he was giving Hulk did not look anything like as hard as Thor hit hulk but a tooth was still dislodged at a point in the fight when Hulk was at full bloodlust, full strength and more importantly, full durability.

Bad writing.

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Wasn't hulk coming out of his fog (losing the rage amp to his strength and durability in the process) when he got sucker punched by HB?

Looked like he was snapping out of the spell but right before he got KO'd he looked like he was about to continue his rampage

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Hulk was dominating the fight. The onky advantage Ironman truly had was during the time the spell wore off.

So Tony didn't have Hulk held down at any point in the fight? He didn't continually jackhammer punch Hulk's face while saying "go to sleep" over and over? Come on man the fight was back and forth with each one having advantages

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So abominations established strength, durability, retained intelligence and hand to hand ability translates into nothing here?

I'd think it'd make the difference between a rampaging animal attack the limbs and a man attack the head.

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Look at the two situations again. Thors Upswing had WAY more momentum in it and he was definitely trying to KO Hulk because Hulk would have broke the helicarrier.

Ironman was also trying to KO hulk, but aside from him saying 'go to sleep, go to sleep' (again for comic effect) the hits he was giving Hulk did not look anything like as hard as Thor hit hulk but a tooth was still dislodged at a point in the fight when Hulk was at full bloodlust, full strength and more importantly, full durability.

Bad writing.

Correction: It wasn't the jackhammer that knocked Hulk's tooth out, it was when Tony hit him with the elevator.

Also, Thor's Mjolnir swing did put Hulk on queer street for a moment.

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