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Batman has almost the same atributes and I personally would not give him a win over Killowog maybe if I am lenient I could see Batman with experience besting Killowog 2/10
But from Sinestro and above? His chances of success get lower and lower, specially VS Kyle or Hal.
Uncle Sam seems more likely to advance in my opinion but I don't think I will give him the majority over Sinestro, Kyle or Hal either
Uncle Sam isn't Cap either, although a closer comparison. One on one combat, and all things being relatively equal, Cap wins 99%. Honestly, I think Sinestro has a slightly better chance at defeating Cap than Hal. Hal would probably be mesmerized by Cap's prowess with the ring.
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First calm down, no one is wanking Batman.
But just by looking at an 8 year old kid who got his parents killed in front of him to become Batman it means he has a lot of will power and in some comics it has been stated to have will power over his tier. If you don't the feats he has tou should complain with the writters. But BASED on what I have read CA will not fare any better than Batman or Uncle Sam with a ring and none of them will defeat Sinestro, Kyle of Hal for the majority
1. Outwilled a being like Korvac who is so powerful that he can back in time by waving his hand ie Korvac tried to break Caps will by making him go back in time and reliving his events. Korvac eventually gave up. Korvac isn't just powerful he used to be human and use smarts and determination to get his power.
2. Beaten Nightmare in his own realm because people in Nightamres realm saw Cap who believed in him and Cap believed in himself. That's like beating The Beyonder. That's how powerful Nightmare is in his own realm.
3. Have an omnipotent being copy his form because he was inspired by Cap
4. Also gave a willpower feat comparison between Cap and Alan Scott.
Even if it wasn't stated Batman is very cynical.
The problem is you're comparing people to cap who you shouldn't be. Theres a reason why Batman is called the Dark Knight dark characters tend not to do so well at being GLs. I'm not an expert on Uncle Sam but he's not Cap, theres a reason why Cap is looked up to by all the other super heroes gods included. On more than one ocassion Cap has lead all the superheroes in battle as their leader (Avengers,FF and X-men and others) has Uncle Sam done that? Also Uncle Sam doesn't come across as very creative, not even sure if he has any willpower feats.
Essentially cap is marvels 'Superman and we know that Superman would make a great GL.
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I'm sure Batman has strong willpower, I'm saying he isn't CAP level overall, not simply in terms of willpower. And Cap beats him in pure willpower IMO anyway. Obviously, Batman's willpower didn't translate to him being a next level GL, but I wasn't simply referring to Cap's willpower alone. Oh, and Cap isn't cynical.
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Last edited by Blue Area Vet on Aug 25th, 2015 at 02:42 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, gentle people, but I thought GL constructs have ZERO to do with your base stats.
So Cap having superhuman stats is not all that - all that matters here is his will. Just because you are stronger and faster, does not mean your constructs are stronger/faster.
With that said, at least deadline has provided some feats of Cap's willpower.
There's also a scene I have at home, where John is maintaining a shield around a community for days without rest, food or water, even as its killing him (in the Rules of Engagement storyline)
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He just witnessed Thanos kill every super hero in front of his eyes, and his will isn't the least bit shaken. Batman would be hiding behind some debris. Cap would re-define what it is to be a GL.
But at least he not only stood up to Darkseid (multiple times; and whilst I'm sure there are arguments for and against each of them, one can at least admit that they are in the same ballpark) he actually did more damage, rather than just having pretty words.
Darkseid hadn't just killed everyone using an universal conquering weapon. But no, Bats isn't in the thread and my point was Cap's unshakable will in the face of overwhelming adversity. I think you saw it.
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Aug 24th, 2015 10:04 PM
Call me when he has something that approached beating Nightmare in his own realm.
