Steve Rodgers had the will power and character before he was chosen for the Super Soldier Serum, in fact, it was part of the reason why he was chosen. For you to say he acquired a strong will later is a celestial **** up.
He doesn't get extra credit for watching his parents die. Shit happens in the hood all the time expect they don't have a million dollar estate and a babysitter butler to take care of them.
I think Cap's and Bat's willpower are pretty much equal.
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Cap was abnormally weak, so it was impossible for him to get to that level without outside help. Bruce is a billionaire.
Cap came from a broken home and was dirt poor and his mother died at a young age. He was abnormally weak and was bullied but still tried to fight back, also his brother died in the war. Cap had it much worse.
I think that's a concession that you can't match Caps feats.
In his own realm he's like The beyonder or at the very least he's skyfather level. Odin is weaker outside his realm and from what I've gathered Nightmare is more powerful than Odin would be in Asagard. It's kinda like Nightmare is one with the realm, as opposed to Odin simply being more powerful.
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So he would not been able to achieve what he did with out the serum?
Bruce Wayne will still be Batman minus the expensive gadgets
Not really, the trauma Bruce endure is much worse than Caps. I will rather be poor and lose my brother to war than to have my parents killed in front of me when I was 8 years old.
No not really, just to tired to gather all the scans needed to prove my point but here is what Abhi posted.
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Nightmare is much weaker when outside of his realm, and can be overcome while in it by a being who has completely conquered their fear"
Thats a brute force sonic attack. The examples I gave were sonics attacks directed at the mind.
You missed the point completely Batman wouldnt have been able to do anything if he was abnormally weak either.
Ok now you're just talking and not debating and just repeating what you said
You're forgetting the fact that his mother died at a young age and he came from a broken home. So Cap didn't come from a loving family that Bruce did. He also had to fight because he was picked on all the time Bruce didn't have to do that he was rich.
I'll take a look later.
Everybody feels fear, there are lots of examples of Batman feeling fear. I'm also talking about in his own realm, the only being that I'm aware of beating Nightmare in his own realm apart from Cap was a mindless Hulk and the reason why he overcome Nightmare was because he didn't have a mind to feel fear, even then he was only seen breifly dragging Nightmare away.
Ok those feats are impressive can't see anybody as powerful as Nightmare, Korvac or beyonder in those scans Cap wins.
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Thats just hyperbole he doesn't have the feats to compare himself to Cap. By the way those Batman feats are impressive but in some of those cases the beings are not as powerful as the ones I've refered to with Cap and Batman still needed help.
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Who was the being, what was the context and how often has he done it?
Yea he beat Korvac in willpower, the other examples are related to willpower can’t be bothered to explain it again right now. [/B][/QUOTE]
Concession accepted.
I've posted Batman's willpower feats. Try to educate yourself.