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I don't know if anyone did refute it. I think it's still worth noting that you can't just assume that someone does condone violent extremism simply because they're Muslim, even if statistically it's likely.

Especially not in America.


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I made a similar but much more complicated device with a fingerprint scanner and full lcd readout; it was for an engineering project. My professors didn't call the campus police department to come arrest any of us when we unveiled it even though most of them hadn't seen it before. We explained to them how it worked, its functions, demonstrated it, and that was enough for their comprehension as to what was before them.

While I don't know if the actors in this case were motivated by bigotry, they certainly were ignorant in their actions. If the principal and his staff are too inept to discern on their own what the device is when they are told and with the amount of time that had gone by on top of nothing having arisen by that point, then they are at best pathetically inept and do not need to continue in their positions if they cannot follow a rational thought pattern.

TL;DR I don't want to live on this planet anymore... if this is the standard of leadership at any level.

Did it look like a homemade bomb, hidden in a briefcase? Was this after 9 11? Does your religion condone terror?

If yes to all three, then your teachers should be fired.


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Did it look like a homemade bomb, hidden in a briefcase?

Ahmed's didn't.

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Was this after 9 11?

Irrelevant.

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Does your religion condone terror?

Irrelevant.


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Originally posted by Omega Vision
[B]I don't know if anyone did refute it. I think it's still worth noting that you can't just assume that someone does condone violent extremism simply because they're Muslim, even if statistically it's likely.


Would you assume that they don't condone violent extremism?


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Would you assume that they don't condone violent extremism?

I wouldn't assume anything. I'd handle it on a person-by-person basis. You know, how everyone should be treated.


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I wouldn't assume anything.
That's fair, and is more or less the approach I take towards people in general.

Oh, and as for the actual topic: him being taken aside and the police called is perfectly acceptable action (I don't know what a ****ing bomb looks like, and if some kid had a mechanical ticking contraption in my class I'd want the ****ing police called too). Asking loaded questions like "Why are you making a bomb you ****ing shit-skinned terrorist?" to him before determining that his clock was not, in fact, a bomb is probably indicative of discrimination.


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I wouldn't assume anything. I'd handle it on a person-by-person basis. You know, how everyone should be treated.

I was raised in a pedophilia cult known for tricking people into hiring me as their babysitter by pretending to be a good guy.

I can babysit your kids, right? I'm a good guy.....


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I wouldn't assume anything. I'd handle it on a person-by-person basis. You know, how everyone should be treated.
Would you say this is applicable in a war?


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I was raised in a pedophilia cult known for tricking people into hiring me as their babysitter by pretending to be a good guy.

I can babysit your kids, right? I'm a good guy.....

Please explain how this is in any way a reasonable response to my post.


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Would you say this is applicable in a war?

War--an actual war--creates a different set of conditions, but only regarding actual combatants. It's very tricky when you're talking about your own citizens as enemy combatants in a nebulous "war on terror."


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That's fair, and is more or less the approach I take towards people in general.

Oh, and as for the actual topic: him being taken aside and the police called is perfectly acceptable action (I don't know what a ****ing bomb looks like, and if some kid had a mechanical ticking contraption in my class I'd want the ****ing police called too). Asking loaded questions like "Why are you making a bomb you ****ing shit-skinned terrorist?" to him before determining that his clock was not, in fact, a bomb is probably indicative of discrimination.

It's astounding to me that after all the details have come out about how Ahmed was treated that there are still people who don't see the obvious racism and discrimination.


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Originally posted by long pig
Did it look like a homemade bomb, hidden in a briefcase? Was this after 9 11? Does your religion condone terror?

If yes to all three, then your teachers should be fired.



Agreed.


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It's sad what happened to this kid, but it's even more sad to see Mark Loserberg and Obama roll the red carpet out.

If this had happened to a white kid, nothing would have happen.

How are people so stupid they can't see that?


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It's sad what happened to this kid, but it's even more sad to see Mark Loserberg and Obama roll the red carpet out.

If this had happened to a white kid, nothing would have happen.

How are people so stupid they can't see that?






YEah, it's like Obama is sending a message to all muslim kids that if you carry items to school that make teachers think you have a bomb then you have my respect and you get to meet me, your muslim leader.


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That kid is more intelligent than you, long pig, and Supra combined tbh. Ever consider that Obama recognized his potential and didn't want this kid's aspirations for greatness to be soured by a single bad experience?

Or maybe he just wanted to molest him? Who knows?


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War--an actual war--creates a different set of conditions, but only regarding actual combatants. It's very tricky when you're talking about your own citizens as enemy combatants in a nebulous "war on terror."
so you must be opposed to dropping the bombs in hiroshima and nagasaki, including a planned one for berlin?


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It's sad what happened to this kid, but it's even more sad to see Mark Loserberg and Obama roll the red carpet out.

If this had happened to a white kid, nothing would have happen.

How are people so stupid they can't see that?


Because this wouldn't have happened to a white kid. If you say you honestly believe that if for example a white kid with blond hair and green eyes named Billy Anderson made an identical clock and showed it to his teacher, he'd get harassed and embarrassed like that. Then you're a liar. The teacher who knew it wasn't a bomb, didn't even stick up for him and say "Guys, it's not a bomb. It's a f*cking clock. He showed it to me earlier." This only happened because he is clearly Middle Eastern, his name is Ahmed Muhamed, etc... He has all the makings of a terrorist if you're ignorant.

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Please explain how this is in any way a reasonable response to my post.

Answer me and I'll enlighten you. Don't deflect, ignore or attack the premise of the question. Just answer it honestly.


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It's sad what happened to this kid, but it's even more sad to see Mark Loserberg and Obama roll the red carpet out.

If this had happened to a white kid, nothing would have happen.

How are people so stupid they can't see that?


It's less about the principle of the incident and more about the populism of the outcry for the incident. That's what modern politicians do. React to populist, flavour of the day, "trending" bullshit. The worst thing about that is they only do it cos that's what the moronic masses do. Perfect example? The reactions to Joseph Kony. He's still out there but no one gives a shit anymore so neither do the politicians. You can go through numerous examples of it over the last few years. ALS, Cecil the lion, Aylan Kurdi,

It's why politics is generally going to the dogs in every western country.

Nothing is done proactively. Every policy announcement is a reaction to whatever is popular which is then abandoned once the issue is no longer in the public eye.

There's 2 kinds of politicians. Windvanes and signposts. Sign posts say "these are my principles, this is what I stand for. If you believe in these principles then vote for me". Windvane politicians change their opinions and stances based on what's popular. They go by the old saying "these are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others"


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That kid is more intelligent than you, long pig, and Supra combined tbh. Ever consider that Obama recognized his potential and didn't want this kid's aspirations for greatness to be soured by a single bad experience?

Or maybe he just wanted to molest him? Who knows?


His name isn't Barack Jackson.


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