Exactly, and there was no swoosh counting involved in Spiderman. Or the Blade trilogy, or Daredevil, or Elektra. So unless you can actually provide solid canonical evidence that the intention of the film creators was specifically to show a speed difference with the sound effects, it is speculation on your part.
And lol, until a few posts ago, you didn't even acknowledge the feat at all. And he very clearly flies well more than 10 feet before even reaching the jet. You can visibly see the distance between the guy and the jet in one of the previous shots. The fact that you don't know that speaks volumes.
And good job glossing over the fact that you were wrong about X-men.
Anyway, I'm bored with your nonsense.
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Bucky's arm is not as strong as cap. Cap overpowered it in seconds with one arm at the end of WS when they were grappling. Winter Soldier is skilled and quick enough to hang with Cap, but he is nowhere near his strength. Bucky laying into Caps face with a bunch of free hits from the arm and doing nothing to him was also not an impressive show for the arm.
Thats a pretty good strength argument for Ozy
Unfortunately, Bucky's arm also ripped a car door off if I remember correctly. Thats why I give him the slight strength edge. I'm not completely sure, but I figure ripping off a car door would take more strength than hitting someone and sending them flying 20 feet off
Was saying it in regards to CA:WS, Cap increased again in AOU, so yeah, no bike toss.
They seemed to be comparable in strength in their first figth scene, with WS' bionic-arm giving him an edge.
As far an Cap overpowering WS' arm, it was the other way around, WS was being chocked and he pulled Cap's arm off, only to have Cap quickly lock the arm with a leg-lock
Those clips are actually pretty decent durability feats for Bucky as well, considering how many hard hits he takes from Steve and just keeps coming. Cap had to choke him out to stop him, and even that was only temporary.
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You're right, I always figured it was Cap who overpowered his arm into position to leg lock him, but he's the one who seems to be pulling caps arm off instead.
Thats a pretty solid argument for the strength stat going to WS here
This is the movies. Bringing in real world examples doesnt fly here.
There are plenty of movie characters that can accomplish what Nite Owl did with those thugs/prisoners in the same manner or better.
The Transporter
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Jason Brourne
The Bride
All of the Expendables
Commando
John Rambo
Most of the Agents of Shield main cast
John Wick
James Bond
The Rock (From the rundown, Gi Joe, F&F)
Agent from Kingsmen
Etc
I can go on and on.
Doesnt mean they are all super human.
Just your usual skilled movie hero, peak human fighters that do quick work of fodder.
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I don't view that as 10 feet though, it could be, but it's hard to tell. I've already said, even if you want to count that, it still isn't on Ozy level. Period, end of story. Get back to me when he's does so as regularly as Ozy.
Nice job glancing over the fact that she didn't show any h2h combat PUNCHING speed. Sure she was shown teleporting around and it being fast. She was never shown punching or kicking that fast in cqc, which is what I'm talking about. Ozy was shown to be fighting as fast as any Spiderman punch he's thrown in any movie. Does that mean he's as fast? Wrong, nah, your reading comprehension is just subpar.
Daredevil nor Elektra were shown punching at speeds greater than Ozy. Post them clip of them fighting at faster h2h speed. Which is again, what we are talking about.
Yeah, whatever experiments Hydra did, it seemed to somewhat mimic the super-soldier experiment used on Cap, with the bionic arm rounding out any shortcomings.
Pound for pound, I'd still considering Cap physically stronger not counting the bionic-arm
Real world fighting absolutely applies, in fact, it's the ONLY criteria to judge what a peak human would be. IF a peak human is unlikely to beat 15 big tough strong guy types at the same time... well... he's unlikely to do so. We define what peak human is, well by what human can do. It's the most relevant factor here, so it's comical you're saying it doesn't apply. We would call them kicks or punches or throws or counters if not for real world fighting. It's the basis for every thing we're trying to interpret. Nice try though.
So now, a peak human imo would not be able to fight off that many dudes, while not having a blow landed on them. That's above peak human in reality. Even if we call them peak human for fighting, as I've unquestionably showed, they are superhuman durability wise. Which you must agree with, seeing as you quoted my post but took the durability part off. Clearly a concession on your part, and I accept.
They are not Superhuman. Again, Rorschach was apprehended by common city cops. Beating prisoners and street thugs is nothing that Black Widow and Hawkeye couldnt do but yet they arent superhuman either. Taking damage is cool too, but again Black Widow and Hawkeye were taking punches from Chitauri aliens and doing crazy leaps and so forth, yet still street levelers.
Lets take a look at a description of Nite Owls powers and abilities from DC Database-
Abilities Genius Level Intellect Gadgetry: Dan was the creator of many inventions and crime-fighting technologies, like his "Owlship" ship, and Night Owl weapons. Acrobatics: Dan was an accomplished acrobat, who more often than not, utilized this greatly into his hand-to-hand fighting style. Martial Arts: Had studied with several martial arts masters, and can out-fight just about any group of thugs or criminals with his fighting skills alone.
How about Rorschach
Abilities Acrobatics: Training himself to become a gifted athlete, Rorschach has been able to jump roof top to roof top, scale tall buildings and land on his feet without ever making a sound. Hand-to-Hand Combat (Advanced): Rorschach was a brilliant street fighter and has since honed this skill during his years of crime fighting and his stint in prison. Interrogation: Rorschach has his own special brand of asking questions, mostly involving breaking body parts and otherwise scarring or maiming victims (or suspects) to get answers. Investigation: Rorschach is an accomplished detective, figuring out the "mask killer theory" and eventually Ozymandias' plan with little to no help. His zeal for crime solving has been mentioned multiple times. Genius Level Intellect: Rorschach has been described as Nite Owl as "tactically brilliant", and excelled in religious education, political science and literature in his schooling days. He is also able to string weapons out of anything, like a cooking fat spray can and a match.
Show me where it states either character are superhuman in any context. Anywhere. Point it out to me. Show me anywhere in the movie where it states they are superhuman besides your slighted opinion. Just because you catergorize them as something more than what they are doesnt mean its so. Your just wrong plain and simple.
Tell that to Froth and Silent who feel Cap from the FA is just as strong as Cap from AOU. I don't agree, you don't either, but they have continually stood by the claim that he hasn't gotten any stronger or faster or anything. Which is pretty illogical in my book.
Lets make this as easy as possible for everybody. If Nite Owl and Rorschach are indeed Superhuman, can somebody please explain what their powers are and how and where did they get them?
That question should take care of this little debate.
Feats in the movie are 100% more canon proof than using DC's database on the characters. Nice try, but a fail none the less.
We know normal humans can't take damage like Ozy was dishing out and not be KO'd. The fact that they took multiple blows from Ozy at this level, shows they have superhuman durability. As I stated, even a peak human would get KO'd or even Killed by a single blow like that, let alone multiple ones. Stop posting nonsense. Canon movie feats >>>>> than anything you've posted.
The point of my post was to show you that other movie characters that are not superhuman can accomplish what Nite Owl and Co. did to thugs and prisoners.
Some would even do it better.
you ignored that, so you are conceding
Cap from First Avenger (While still not sure of his powers, and had just got out of his chamber that gave him the Serum), was ripping car doors off, running fast enough to keep up with a car, jumping over tall fences, tossing people up 20 feet (In water) up to the walkway, punching in reinforced submarine cockpit glass.
They get their powers from Snyder special effects team. Dont you know that slow mo and all his other effects in fights mean that your superhuman?
@ KT Sorry, but even a complete idiot can judge that distance. It is very clearly more than 10 feet. You just have to look at the size of the people, and compare that to the distance they are from the jet. But of course you will downplay anything you can when it involves Cap/Bucky.
Teleporting? LOL She had superspeed and the ability to sense mutant powers. And nice Strawman. I never said they punched faster than him. No, the burden of proof remains with you to back your claim with evidence, from the film creators, about the sound effects. Until you do, it's hot air. Also, love how you post a question, answer it yourself, and then tell me my reading is subpar. The point of the post was to show that there are ways beyond "swoosh" noises to indicate speed, as seen in films pre-dating Watchmen. That was the entire point.
Anyway, you are unlikely to stop downplaying Bucky's feat, and even less likely to provide genuine evidence over your "swooshing" claim, so I see no further point in wasting my time responding to you.
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So you think in order to be superhuman you need to shot fire out your butt or turn water into ice? You can be superhuman.. and simply have superhuman durability or h2h skill. You don't need exotic powers to be. Are you new to this?
Ozy is clearly super human, but the dude achieved it through training
Nite Owl is definitely super human. No real world human can replicate what he did to those thugs. Rorschach isn't as impressive as Nite Owl, but he and Nite Owl definitely have super human durability. No one can take the damage they did from Ozy and not even be bruised like they did.
The argument that they are not super human is pretty strange.
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