Is it though? I mean Batman/Superman together not hitting a Billion (not even $900mill) has to be far below the expectations they had when they greenlit the project.
To be fair to Golgo though he said from day 1 that BvS won't hit the Billion mark.
- first time a studio had 2 movies hit 300 million domestically.
- Broke March opening weekend record
- Broke August opening weekend record from GOTG.
- DCEU only needed 3 movies to break the 1 billion mark. MCU needed 5 or 6.
- SS did upper 700 million without the second biggest market.
- Home video sales after theatrical release for all three were big.
^ Honestly the only valid point I see there for audiences responding well is the Home Entertainment sales. Because OW is audiences giving a film a chance. But it obviously gives no indication how audiences respond to a film.
As for the comparisons to Marvel's first 4/5 films, IM1 and IM2 both sold better domestically when you account for 3D tickets and inflation. Plus you know neither JL or Aquaman ar going to make anything close that Avengers money.
DCU's first 3 movies all featured the worlds most popular comic characters.
MCU's first 3 films featured C and D list characters.
It's stupid to compare more popular characters making more than 3rd rate characters did.
All that should matter is for DC to get on the right track after 3 failures (as in quality wise). Not focus on how much money their bad movies make.
Or just reboot their universe that seems to be in a complete mess. (Again not taking about financially). You can put Batman in any movie and it will make money.
That is just the definition of the 3 Basic Levels of
Fandom"
1 being the Casual Fan which makes up the Majority of Theater Box Office.
2 being the Invested Fan which sees the movie and buys the merch.
3 being the Fan-Atic. The type that ohhhh I DUNNO.....say Watches a Teaser Trailer on Youtube a few Dozen Times and then treats a movie franchise like a religious / drug trip taken up to overdose levels.
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Well I'm pretty sure you always bring up the domestic, inflation and 3D card when it comes to TDK vs Avengers. But look Are we simply talking about "headliners" and "box office records" or are we actually analysing those figures to see any sign of audience enthusiasm?
You keep making comparisons to Marvel's first films then complain when I bring up Avengers The film which all of Marvel's built up goodwill from Phase I lead to... But fine, Okay, forget A1 for a second. What about Iron Man 3, Age of Ultron or Civil War? Is any DCEU film going to make that much in the foreseeable future?
Like I said big names bring big opening numbers, but poor/average WOM leads to poor/average box office multipliers. It's really not rocket science. But I do agree with your home Entertainment analysis, and agree MOS was more popular than some of the haters make out. However I fear BvS may have dented that popularity.
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Films like TDK and Avengers are in a league of their own. I'm simply talking about the average MCU film. You're the one that keeps on bringing up TA.
IM 3 and CW were event films. One re-introduced probably the most recognizable/popular hero in the world. Not a good idea to compare CW with Wonder Woman.
Who knows if the DCEU will do those numbers. Anything is possible. You can't use BVS in your arguments, because each film is it's own separate entity.
And, yes, MOS is liked on average. It wasn't a failure at all.
Also if each film is a "separate entity" then your comparison to Marvel's first 4/5 films is flawed anyway. You should compare to Marvel's current films.
But your argument from Day1 has been "Marvel has had time to build up its brand but DC's first few films are doing better than Marvel's first few"
Also you keep avoiding the fact that both IM1 and IM2 sold better domestically than any of the DCEU films to date. A comparison which you're happy to make when it comes to TDK vs Avengers.
So I'm seeing some double standards in your comparisons.
Are you implying that Hulk is a 3rd rate character? He is easily as popular to the common fan as Superman or Batman. And Superman and Batman had almost a dozen movies under their belt so their freshness wore off at the boxoffice.
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Hulk and Cap had previous recognition, but neither of them were anywhere near as well known as Batman and Superman. And neither had a successful movie in the past.
New properties are always a bigger risk than well known and proven properties. Just look at the OW for MOS and BvS, and compare that to the OW's for Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, and even Thor1/Cap1/IM1.
Big names still get you a big OW. Where it goes after that is usually down to Hype and WOM.
Yeah they've literally used one of more of their trinity their first 5 movies. Comparing that to the first Iron Man or first Thor movie is stupid and frankly an embarrassing comparison for DC.
Times have changed. B list characters have done better at the box office than a lot of the A listers. It's not about the characters, but the movie itself. Characters like Superman don't really attract the GA like they used to. People want to see a variety, new characters. That's evident in Suicide Squad and Deadpool.
I think that is probably just due to the SJW and PC-ing of the more Main Stream Characters. People just don't want to put up with the Leftist BS anymore. Not when they just want to sit down and much popcorn and brainfart thru a movie.
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The film which all of Marvel's built up goodwill from Phase I lead to... But fine, Okay, forget A1 for a second. What about Iron Man 3, Age of Ultron or Civil War? Is any DCEU film going to make that much in the foreseeable future?
