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It's a little weird yeah.
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Jan 14th, 2019 06:17 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Senor Cage
Aquaman isn't even finished and it will overtake CW or be really close. A measure of how successful a director is, if his or her films are profitable. Wan's are more profitable and has garnered more at the BO than the Russo's. Fact.
Well, that’s one measure sure. But we weren’t talking about profitability were we? We were talking about BO. If you feel the need the move the goalposts just to make an argument, we might not have much left to talk about here.
Tho I’d still like to see the basis of your numbers before going “fact’” on anything, if you don’t mind.
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Jan 14th, 2019 06:44 AM
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Senor cage proves what a sad loser and lunatic he is all in one thread
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Jan 14th, 2019 10:14 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Senor Cage
Number wise, DC is right with MCU. They are already on pace to overtake MCU phase 2.
Oh not back to this nonesense again.
Seriously the DCEU have had 5 and a half years. How many decades do they need before you start comparing them to the Present Day MCU?
Oh and by the 5 year point the MCU has Two films which were Billion dollar hits. One of them actually hit the 1.5billion mark. Actually both were 1.2 Billion dollar Plus hits.
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Inhuman
Russo's
Cap 3
Avengers 3
2 different franchises, both over 1 billion
Well tbf they are related franchises. Half the characters were even the same in both.
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Jan 14th, 2019 10:28 AM
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As for Wan vs Russos, they both have points at the box office.
Wan has hit the Billion dollar mark twice from 2 completely unrelated franchises. And each time it was a FIRST for the franchise.
That said, Russos have hit the 2 Billion dollar mark which Wan never has. And that was also a FIRST for the Marvel franchise.
In terms of Variety, they have both done well going from smaller films to big blockbusters.
In terms of the Superhero genre however, theres really no contest. Russos are clearly top dog.
Jan 14th, 2019 10:36 AM
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quote: Well, that’s one measure sure. But we weren’t talking about profitability were we? We were talking about BO. If you feel the need the move the goalposts just to make an argument, we might not have much left to talk about here.
Tho I’d still like to see the basis of your numbers before going “fact’” on anything, if you don’t mind.
BO and profit go hand and hand. I'm not dissing the Russo's, but Wan is in another league. Pretty much everything he touches turns to gold. When the Russo's do what Wan has done,then I'd place them in his tier.
Jan 14th, 2019 07:26 PM
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^ But Wan hasnt done what the Russos have.. Hit the $2billion mark...
Jan 14th, 2019 07:40 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ But Wan hasnt done what the Russos have.. Hit the $2billion mark...
I'm going by there whole career. You're just naming one accomplishment. Wan has more than one, and is considered one of the kings of BO. Wan has generates more profit for more than one studio, which is why WB hired him for Aquaman. That's more impressive.
Jan 14th, 2019 08:51 PM
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Jan 14th, 2019 08:52 PM
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Jan 14th, 2019 08:56 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Senor Cage
BO and profit go hand and hand. I'm not dissing the Russo's, but Wan is in another league. Pretty much everything he touches turns to gold. When the Russo's do what Wan has done,then I'd place them in his tier.
So what you’re saying is that since the MCU is the objectively more succesful franchise, has by far the objectively better superhero movies in both BO and critical acclaim, has succeeded where the DCEU failed and essentially dominated the superhero movie genre for the past several years and crushed the DCEU in BO even at the time where it released its best performing movie ever, at least the DCEU studios managed to hire a very good director who has done better in certain metrics?
Well, I guess that’s something.
I’m... not gonna take that away from you. It just looks like you really need this....
/patsyourback
Jan 14th, 2019 09:00 PM
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quote: So what you’re saying is that since the MCU is the objectively more succesful franchise, has by far the objectively better superhero movies in both BO and critical acclaim, has succeeded where the DCEU failed and essentially dominated the superhero movie genre for the past several years and crushed the DCEU in BO even at the time where it released its best performing movie ever, at least the DCEU studios managed to hire a very good director who has done better in certain metrics?
Well, I guess that’s something.
I’m... not gonna take that away from you. It just looks like you really need this....
/patsyourback
So, basically Wan>Russos? It takes 2 brothers to make over a billion and ONE Wan.
Jan 14th, 2019 09:04 PM
Nibedicus
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Senor Cage
So, basically Wan>Russos? It takes 2 brothers to make over a billion and ONE Wan.
Again, not gonna take this away from you man.
I’m guessing you’re switching to Wan movies now? Want me to bump the Furious 7 thread for you?
Jan 14th, 2019 09:06 PM
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I've only been talking Wan>Russo. You're talking about MCU>DCEU. Two different things.
Jan 14th, 2019 09:08 PM
Nibedicus
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Hey let it be whatever you want it to be, man. Whatever you need to get through this.
Jan 14th, 2019 09:15 PM
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Nice come back, bro.
Jan 14th, 2019 09:17 PM
Darth Thor
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Senor Cage
I'm going by there whole career. You're just naming one accomplishment. Wan has more than one, and is considered one of the kings of BO. Wan has generates more profit for more than one studio, which is why WB hired him for Aquaman. That's more impressive.
I still dont get it. Youre talking purely about box office. And yet you are ignoring that $2bill is a greater box office than Wan has ever achieved.
Jan 14th, 2019 10:08 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Darth Thor
I still dont get it. Youre talking purely about box office. And yet you are ignoring that $2bill is a greater box office than Wan has ever achieved.
Of course you don't. Wan has more achievements in that field, which you ignore. A lot of skilled directors can do what the Russo's did. Marvel is already an established brand, while Wan took a joke character, who isn't that well known past the billion mark. Like I said, come back when the Russo's do what Wan did.
Jan 14th, 2019 10:23 PM
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And as posted earlier, only TWO directors have 2 billion dollar movies kn different franchises. James and James.
quote: It makes James Wan one of eight directors (counting the Russos as a singular unit) to have two movies in the $1b+ club, alongside Chris Nolan (Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises for Warner Bros.), Michael Bay (Transformers 3 and Transformers 4 for Paramount/Viacom), Peter Jackson (Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey for New Line), Joss Whedon (Avengers, Avengers: Age of Ultron for Walt Disney), Pierre Coffin (Minions and Despicable Me 3 for Universal), the Russo Bros. (Captain America: Civil War, Avengers: Infinity War for Disney) and James Cameron (Titanic for Paramount/Fox and Avatar for Fox).
Yes, noting inflation and exchange rates, the likes of Despicable Me 2 and Pirates 3, to say nothing of all six Middle Earth movies, every Harry Potter flick and the first six Star Wars movies, surely would have gotten over the hump in today’s grosses. As noted on Monday, Aquaman joins Universal’s Furious 7 ($1.5 billion in 2015) as Wan’s second such blockbuster. And it makes him only the second filmmaker, alongside James Cameron, to score two $1b+ earners that aren’t in the same franchise.
You can differentiate Wan’s commercial triumphs as a director hopping into a preexisting brand (like, say, the Russos) and Cameron’s two non-sequel and (Avatar sequels notwithstanding) non-IP-driven mega-hits as being both separate from the pack and separate from each other. Wan’s hits puts him in a league of his own alongside (but separate from) Cameron’s triumphs. Oh, and since Titanic was a Fox picture that was distributed in North America by Paramount, James Wan is the first guy to have two $1b+ earners from two different studios.
Jan 14th, 2019 10:51 PM
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2 different studios inst the same as 2 different franchises
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