Urm Russos took Cap a 300million dollar franchise and turned it into a billion dollar franchise.
They also took Avengers from 1.4billion to a whole new level with 2billion. They also have that 2billion achievement that Wan doesnt.
You saying the character was a joke is not quantifying anything. Also you claiming the MCU was already a big brand name, yet ignore that for the Fast & Furious franchise, which was also built Up over years and boosted further by Paul Walkers demise half way through filming.
Also are you admitting that the DCEU has not been building up as a brand? Hence making all your claims of comparing the first few DCEU films to the first few MCU films as completely redundant comparisons?
Im quantifying the success with numbers. You are not quantifying things, instead just giving your opinion on why Wans resume looks better to you, but trying to pass your opinion off as some kind of fact. Except facts are quantifiable.
And only 3 (4 if you count Russos as 2) can claim they have hit the $2billion mark.
Hint: Wan is not one of them.
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And Wan turned a million dollar film into 100 plus million, reinventing the horror genre in more than one instance. He also turned A joke character from a movie, which didn't break even, into a billion dollar movie. Big difference.
The MCU was already popular, and it's not like the Russo's are the only directors that can do what they did.
I'm giving numbers, too. You're just not listening. Wan has the profit and BO numbers, you're basically cherry picking,
Darth, you gotta look at their whole careers, and why Wan is so valuable as a director. There is a REASON why MULTIPLE studios have picked him to do their movies and why he and James Cameron are the ONLY two directors that have multiple billion dollar movies in 2 different franchises. The Russo's are great at what they did at Disney, but they don't carry that type of success, yet. Here is a breakdown of his BO run, and the INSANE profit that came with it.
So was Fast and Furious. And its not like the DCEU never came close to the Billion dollar mark before. They have had 2 $800million plus films.
Again, not Quantifiable. Next.
Yes and Wan has never reached the $2billion mark in his whole career.
But only Russos, James Cameron and JJ Abrams have ever hit the $2billion mark.
Russos are about to do their 3rd Billion dollar film. If Avengers 4 makes over 1.7billion then that will be hugely impressive. To hit the $2billion mark and then not have a big fall after. Just look at the MASSIVE Fall The Last Jedi took after Force Awakens hit $2billion.
So thats what hes good at. Making large profits from small budget films.
I don't see who that Objectively makes Wan > Russos.
If Wan can get a sequel to Aquaman above a Billion again, or do a Justice League movie which makes $1.5billion plus, then that would be Russos type of box office impressiveness.
Uhm, the last film Aquaman was in only earned 657 million at the BO. Aquaman will earn more than Civil War AND Winter Soldier, both Russo films. That's is more impressive than the Russo's jumping in an already established franchise. By a big margin, too.
Not nearly as popular as the MCU, which already had a 1.5 billion dollar movie. Remember, the most popular and biggest Box office movie in the franchise was Furious 6, which made 780 million. James Wan propelled it to 1.5, NEARLY beating Joss Whedon's Avengers.
And the Russo's NEVER had any success outside of the MCU, nor had they made 2 1 billion dollar films in different franchises. Both directors has accomplishments that the other doesn't, which is why you need to look at their overall accomplishments. Wan simply has more.
And only Wan has had 2 1 billion dollar movies from two separate studios and garnered profit from three separate genres, which is why Wan has had more success as a director than Russo's overall.
Well, you're always talking about profit, and why the DCEU is always falling short, despite respectable numbers. There are several different measures to how and why a director is successful and profit is the MAIN reason, since it's a business. Wan is in a league of his own.
I don't get the criticism for this film it was a thoroughly enjoyable, visually stunning film with amber herds bum and a computer generated reminder of kidman in her prime. Fap worthy.
Russo took the Cap franchise $370mill to $714mill. Almost doubling it.
Also again, are you admitting that the DCEU was not an established franchise prior to Aquaman?
Because you seem to be all over the place, sometimes arguing Wan has taken the DCEU from flop to Billion dollar franchise, yet other times arguing how much more the DCEUs first 6 films have made more than the MCUs first 6 films, as if its been comparable to the MCU this whole time. Make up your mind will you.
The Fast franchise was growing larger and larger with each movie. I called it that Wans would hit a billion before it was out.
So anyway Yeah he almost doubled it. Much like Russo almost double Caps gross from Cap1 to Cap2. Then Cap 3 made massively more again like more than 1.5 times what Cap2 made. Now if you want argue that Cap3 was Avengers 2.5, thats fine, but then you have to accept that the Russos almost Doubled Again, from Cap3 to IW. They have made massively more with each instalment of the MCU they've touched. Like 1.5-2 times more Every Single Time.
Thats not just something to dismiss. Its a Massive accomplishment.
No success?
You, Me and Dupree $130mill on a $54mill budget. Majority of its earnings were domestic which means more profit.
And they were producers on Community for most their career. So they do have variety.
But yes of course Wan has been far more successful on small scale films.
But Russos have 3, coming up to 4 altogether. Plus they have a $2bill on their resume.
Justice League flopping having all the DCEU heroes and only making 650mill is not respectable at all. So stop deluding yourself that the DCEU is some kind of successful shared Universe.
Their 2 big successes (financially and critically), were solo movies, that could have been done without any connection to the DCEU. The Shared Universe has been a failure for them so far.
Okay. Im not denying Wans success. But if you took the profit from IW how many of Wans movies profits would that cover lol
Of course Wan has shown success is more genres. Im not taking that away. But clearly Russos have had bigger success on the Big Franchises. And hence just overall in terms of numbers. And (speaking non finanacially), clearly Russos films have been far better received by critics and audiences alike.
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Wan did one better, as I stated before: Propelled the Fast and the Furious franchise to new highs with 1.5 Billion, which is a lot more impressive when you consider all the problems Wan had on set.
DCEU was all over the place. Was it establishes? Sure, but most of the movies were TOXIC, and even you were worried about the future, since the JL flopped. MCU was far better at critical and word of mouth, so the Russo's jumping in an already established, POSITIVE franchise is not impressive, since they haven't had any real success outside of the MCU. Simple. Did you predict Aquaman doing a billion? Nope and for good reason, too.
Same with the MCU. Their movies were growing, too. But, like I said, the biggest BO was Furious 6, and Wan propelled it to way over a billion. Jumps like that don't usually happen.
Get real, Darth. That's not a success at all, and it pales in comparisson to what James Wan did early in his career. Dude is still young, and he has plenty of time to do more billion dollar movies. The success Wan has had early in his career and comparing it to You, Me and Dupree is night and day. That's just laughable that you brought that up.
I'm sure End Game will do another 2 Billion, which is awesome for the Russo's, but as of now, Wan still has more accomplishments. Once the Russo's is done with the MCU, there will be a test to see if they can make profitable movies like Wan has.
When did I say JL was respectable, dummy? I was referring to the past numbers, box office only. I already said JL was a FLOP, so stop putting words in my mouth.
IW still wouldn't cover it, since you need to count ALL of the movies after Saw (Which is the highest grossing horror franchise of all time AND all his films he produced). That's a LOT of money, even if the Russo's come up with another 2 billion. You need to understand that those horror movies only needed a few million to make, and made HUNDREDS of millions. Big difference.
And Russos propelled Cap to new heights. Whats the difference? And dont say the Billion dollar mark, because you know Russos have Wan beat there.
Those problems on the set of his Fast and Furious (i.e. the passing of Paul Walker mid way), almost certainly helped in propelling the box office.
In which case you should stop comparing the first 6 DCEU films to the first 6 MCU films. Because youve basically conceded the MCU > DCEU even at that point, never mind the present.
That said the Furious franchise was also strong and growing. And clearly the Paul Walker situation helped to propel that.
Not to take away from Wan, given another director may have completely messed up in that situation.
He doubled its box office the way the Russos doubled Caps box office. Of course Russos were not gonna take Cap from $370mill to over a Billion in a single movie Lmao.
Nolans the only one who did that from Batman Begins to The Dark Knight, and again that was propelled on with Heath Ledgers passing through filming.
Of course its a success Lol
I never claimed it was on Wans level of success, but you claimed theyve had NO SUCCESS outside of the MCU. Thats just false, and misrepresenting their career.
Im not convinced End Game will do 2Bill again. But if it does, then thats just in a different league to Wan.
Ooh calling me Dummy? Dont let the Russos superior box office numbers get to you Golgo.
You said the DCEU had respectable numbers. JL represented what the SHARED Universe came to.
Well lets start adding up the figures and see
Again no ones denying that Wans had success in a much larger variety of franchises.
But you are definitely lowballing Russos claiming their success is all in the same franchise. Fact is Winter Soldier, Civil War and Infinity War are ALL very different movies. And it ranges from one superhero lead, to a few superhero leads, to like 10-15 superhero leads.
They have shown massive variety and massive success within the MCU. And they have clearly taken both Cap and the Avengers to new heights that they seemingly could not touch prior to the Russos. And most importantly, they have given us massive Quality.
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I never said there was a difference. You brought up Russo's doubling Cap's sequels, I brought up the Furious franchise. There are always factors that propel movies to billions of dollars. In this case, Aquaman's run is more impressive, since Cap had Robert Downey Jr./Iron Man, Spider-Man, Black Panther, etc...
While Wan had Jason Momoa and Amber heard. LMAO. Someone brought this up earlier, but Aquaman will be the 5th biggest original movie ever. The ones above it are sequels or remakes. Impressive.
I just do that to give you a rise. Still, DCEU is WB's biggest money maker, and it will continue to grow.
Which is why I said jumps like that don't usually happen. Civil War made that much, because it was Avengers 2.5. Spider-Man, Iron Man, etc.., Aquaman didn't need that to make a billion, which is why I think many directors can make a huge profit, directing IW, End Game, or Civil Bore.
It actually wasn't. In order to make a profit, the movie needs to make around triple the budget. Remember, the budget doesn't include marketing. And You, Me and Dupree only made 75 million domestic. Now, if they went with a LOWER budget, such as Wan, then it would have. It also got trashed by critics. Big success, right there.
Not really.
And they have. WW, SS, BVS, MOS, all made profit and did respectable numbers.
I did, and Wan is GOAT. I already provided the link and Russo's only had success in ONE franchise, while Wan has had 2. That doesn't include the loads of money he made with Rated R movies. Again, Wan is in a different league.
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