DS is not going to shoot at the shield on purpose. If Cap blocks the first shot then DS aims at his legs.
The gun is already on his hand. He needs to just raise his hand and point.
Takes a fraction of a second to do. Cap can't cover himself to his knees because he didn't in the movies. When he was blocking bullets while on the move he ALWAYS had his waistline and complete legs exposed.
Caps entire legs and waist will be exposed. DS hits Cap within 2 seconds after the bell everytime.
I said equivalent to magic while not being magic. That's his power. If batman's magical power is crazy fighting skill then so be it. It's about who wins with their magical abilities.
There were multiple times in the movies where Cap's legs were exposed but he never got shot in the legs. Why? Because guess what, it's not easy to shoot someone with a shield in the legs. Especially not if he'smoving.
But hey, if DS has a feat where he shoots people in the legs then let's have it and maybe then you'd have a point.
you are one funny dude.. please tell us when and where exactly did Deadshot fire at the zombies feet???? oh and yes he will shoot at the shield on purpose because Cap will have the shield up and ready to go
Him being unable to see -sometimes- is irrelevant to the debate (it is purely speculatory that he can't see in this fight, and frankly a bit absurd). That is because we have primary evidence of him aim blocking his opponent as well as primary evidence of him being able to quickly adjust shield positiioning to block secondary areas as each of those targetting adjustments that Cap defended against were a split second in between (as well as being hidden as WS spun his body to prevent Cap from seeing where the next shot is coming from til the last split second). Your only argument is that he won't be able to see and I find that silly as we've seen him block shots behind his shield thus evidence by "feats" seems to disagree with you.
You have presented no evidence of DS shooting against someone who can defend against bullets and gunfire (oh wait, we do when he fought Batman and hit his armor, how did that go again?). As well as no evidence of fast-shot precision targetting of small very fast moving objects that are going to move in and out of his view randomly behind a defensive shield/position (if you've ever held a gun, you'd know the level of difficult difference involved here) or even something that would point to that being highly probable. If you do, pls post the clip.
As far as evidence goes, my evidence > yours.
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The time he saw behind the shield is when he Had to. WS was 3 ft away. They were hth distance apart. Cap can only afford to take his eyes off his opponent for a split second. This is because WS will not miss from that close. From a distance Cap was shown many times to hide behind the shield and NOT LOOK at the person shooting. In some cases Cap would simply put his head down and move forward, trusting that they don't shoot him in the dicke.
Anyway, I'll focus on the stronger argument. Cap was able to to adjust the block because WS was 3ft away and had to move his arm a significant distance to aim at the legs (telegraphing). This was like throwing a punch at the legs, Cap is able to block it. Now DS would be 50m away. Cap will not know what he's aiming at. A simple movement of the nozzle less than 0.2 of an inch will result in the difference in a head shot vs. a dicke shot.
Cap's waistline on down will be exposed. Part of his belly, his waistline, his thighs, his knees and his feet. DS can simply aim at the waist, thighs, or knees. Shooting at the feet isn't necessary.
DS's ability is to hit without missing as shown in his demonstration. Those guys were not DS. It's easy for DS to hit someone in the legs or waist if he aims there. With forward movement, Cap's waistline, thighs, and knees will not be moving in relation to DS's aim. And starting from a standing position when the bell rings Cap will not be able to get get both his Feet moving fast enough before 1 second elaspes.
1) Speculatory. Him being behind his shield and "not seeing" the shooter sometimes has not taken away from his ability to block their shots almost every time. What we DO know is that, relevant to the debate at hand is that we KNOW he can aim block.
2) Watch the clip again, WS snuck in a shot after a spin w/c made it pretty hidden and within a split second (0:36) . Still blocked.
You are making an argument without even providing us with any proof. The last time DS fought someone who could defend against gunfire, he shot center mass and hit armor (even tho the face was pretty damned exposed) and couldn't draw and acquire his target within a split second to shoot at weak spots. Heck, his "quick draw" was slow enough for Batman to easily block and his one chance to bypass the armor by shooting at the mouth/eyes was slow enough for his daughter to move in the way.
Look at his body movements as he acquires and shoots targets at short range (0:08 onwards). Looks pretty telegraph-y to me. He moved nearly his entire body everytime he fired. Looks to me Cap will easily figure out where he is aiming.
And is it just me or did he miss 2 shots (0:23 and 0:24)? Hitting car instead of zombie at nearly point blank range?
And what about his shooting here looks faster than any other guy Cap has succesfully aim blocked before?
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Agreed with this. I give the vast majority to DS. Caps no bullet timer. DS puts a round in each of his kneecaps and finishes him off. Even if Cap completely turtles behind the shield, DS bounces a bullet off of a surface and gets him from another angle.
Its mindboggling how people keep trying to argue ways for nonbullet timers to win a fight against DS. If any part of Cap is exposed, he takes a bullet. He's stuck being an immobile turtle completely behind his shield, and even that might not block all the bullets. There is no way for him to close the gap.
The OP also stipulated that they have no idea who the other is and the DS thinks Cap is there to kill his daughter. Not only is he bloodlusted, but Cap will probably treat him like he does every other armed assailant and either:
1. Put up his shield and sprint at him leaving his entire lower body open for the many shots DS will place there
2. He'll throw his shield at DS which DS will just shoot out of the sky or take the instakill shot against a completely open Cap
There is no scenario here where Cap comes out on top with CIS off.
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What makes you think DS could shot the shield out of the sky?
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My argument is simple. No need for long posts. Basic logic is my proof. WS was telegraphing and moving his arm a whole foot or more. It's not the same as being 50m away and adjusting the aim by millimeters. There is no evidence to support that Cap can discern the aim of a head shot vs. a groin shot (since it's a different of a few millimeters). No is there any evidence to support he can move his shield a whole foot or more in reaction to DS moving his gun a few millimeters.
That DS wasn't geared up in the scene you posted, he was in normal clothes. His gun was concealed. DS in this fight will have his gun already out in his hand and on his arm. He just lifts it and aims. DS can get a first shot off in less than a second. He can get a second shot off in less than 0.3 seconds.
It would take Cap more than 5 seconds to cover that distance from rest. It takes a few seconds for Cap to reach top speed. He will be Accelerating from 0mph.
That's because they were all over the place. The sheer distance between targets was significantly greater than the distance from Cap's head to his groin. Plus they were a lot closer than 50m away (some were just a few meters away). Trust me, I did the math already. It only takes a few millimeters of change in aim to go from the head to the ground from 50m away.
I don't think he can. I think the shield will overpower the bullets (assuming he is even able to even shoot at the shield when it's in the air). Cap shouldn't try to throw the shield tbh. It leaves him exposed for a good second or more. Caps best chance is to try to close the distance.
Except he wasn't (concealing a shot/movement until the last split-second of execution is the opposite of "telegraphing" in case you didn't know) and DS does (as indicated by his showings). Evidence > unsupported logic.
He had his gun in hand when he allowed his daughter to get between him and Batman. Him having his gun on-hand would still require him to raise said gun, aim it and fire (as characters don't start aiming weapons at each other). And based on on-screen showings, he isn't exactly faster than any other random shmoe with a gun Cap has blocked or dodged in the past. More accurate? Yes. Faster? No.
Cap will block his initial salvo, on screen evidence supports my argument, not yours.
And I call BS with the whole 5 second claim. Classic you to make a claim, not back it with evidence or logic and then place the burden of proof on the other side. That is a classic tactic of a bad debater, you know?
Unfortunately for you, however, I can back my shit up with actual logic and evidence.
(0:48) WS jumps down and lands at 0mph. What do you notice?
Cars are swerving away from him, as bodies (cars) in motion would need to avoid a body (WS) NOT in motion that is directly in their path to avoid hitting it. Especially at the speeds they move in freeways.
The second he starts running at (0:49), cars are no longer seen gaining ground on him and are no longer avoiding him nor does anything indicate that they slowed down in any way as all of them are shown to still be in their regular rate of motion as soon as we see Cap and BP jump down.
So you're a "physics buff". When objects in motion no longer appear to gain ground from someone's frame of reference, what does that mean?
Yep. Means that he was able to accelerate to said object's speed within said time frame. Which all happened as soon as he started running.
I'll not explain further as, if you have basic understanding of either physics and logic, you'd know that Cap did the same thing based on the evidence provided. I'll let you figure it out and not spoonfeed you the rest.
Bear in mind that if I hear the whole "feats aren't interchangeable" argument, then I will assume that you either have a poor understanding of physics or did not review the evidence provided. Because if you look closely at the evidence, it does prove that Cap accelarated to WS's speed almost instantly.
Last edited by Nibedicus on Aug 28th, 2016 at 10:35 PM
He still telegraphs his movement when he acquires new targets. Evidence points to this. Heck, he had a ton of wasted movment everytime he fired his weapons in the clip I posted. Yet you are arguing that he would have precise and total economy of movement in shooting at Cap within the first 2 seconds.
Evidence > assumption.
Sorry sport, not gonna fly.
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I remember him shooting a projectile out of the sky in the movie, though I cant remember the specific scene. Someone else would need to chime in on this one for the specifics.
You can try to derail the points, it won't work. Again DS can get a shot off in less than a second. And a second shot off in less than 0.3 seconds. That's all that matters.
Yes DS Telegraphed. I'm saying when he is fighting Cap a simple change by a few millimeters will be the difference between a head shot and a groin shot. Not only isn't there any evidence to support that Cap can detect a few millimeter difference in aim from 50m away but he there is no evidence to support he can move his shield fast enough and certainly no evidence to support that he can even trace an aim from that far (since a few millimeters difference equals the difference of several feet.
You are using stuff that don't rebut my argument. What evidence supports that Cap can
1. Trace an aim that precise from that distance
2. Move his shield fast enough in response to DS moving his gun a few millimeters.
Nothing you shown supports Cap being able to do that.
If you don't believe that a few millimeters difference in aim equals a few feet in the shot then I'll prove it to you.
What are you talking about? We don't see Cap instantly doing anything. We see him jump down a fraction of a second after BP. The scene is then cut. WS is running with human speed (by the look of his leg speed, stride length, and the slow movement of the cars). This is actually a low showing for Cap.
I disagree. Based on evidence, DS will pretty much telegraph his aim. First salvo will be center mass and get blocked. The next salvo will mean that Cap would be close enough to easily aim block his shots. You claim that he would immediately realize to shoot at the legs within a split second and yet have provided nothing to support this. Heck, we even see him get flustered when Batman caught him by surprise.
I have provided evidence of Cap aim blocking and blocking shots that would have been direct hits, yet you chose to disregard evidence while providing none of your own.
Now cars in a freeway are moving at human speed now? SMH. Average speeds in busy freeways are around 30-45 mph at least unless there is heavy traffic w/c I don't see here. You need to prove the things you say before you post it.
And I gave you a chance to prove your math skillz. Sadly, you didn't take the opportunity.
At (0:53) we see WS reach top speed (easily zipping past cars) BP couldn't have started running until (0:52) and Cap at around a split second into (0:53) as we see his feet touching the ground around this time.
Top speeds appear identical or close enough for one not to gain ground on the other. The distances between Cap, BP and WS looks about (6 car lengths to me from 0:56-0:57 between BP and WS and much closer between BP and Cap) 80 feet to me between WS and BP are consistent with one getting a second head start at around 55 mph. Go ahead, do the math.
Cap covers the distance in 2 seconds and bonks DS in the face.
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