Goku and Vegeta also had a lot of upgrades since. (As did Black) In their first figh fight against "SSJ Rose", Black beat Goku and Vegeta as easy as Hit ever did.
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And Black took the same Goku out right away. By DBS established power curves, Goku is probably stronger than tourney super-kaioken at regular SSJ blue now.
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Like Vegeta being tired. It doesn't need to be started he burned through a lot of energy, because logically having three fights prior to Hit would force him to burn up a lot of energy.
Black was stronger than Goku and Vegeta at/near the levels they were at the tournament. We know this because he beat both.
Black fused with Zamasu is logically much stronger than that. He should be stronger than Hit or Goku from that tourney.
Goku and Vegeta,,post upgrades, were both able to hold off fused Zamasu. Therefore, Zamasu > Goku/Vegeta >>>>> Goku/Hit
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Vegeta was working Black. Black doesn't need a hole on his body for us to see that he wasn't a challenge to Vegeta. Hit took on (while holding back) Goku amped and held his own. I know you like Black but this doesn't mean close your eyes to everything.
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Yeah, SSJB Vegeta beat the absolute dogsh!t out of SSJ Rose Black.
While Vegeta did get marginally stronger from the beginning of the Black saga to that point, Hit was roughly 10 times more powerful after fighting Goku, than he was at the beginning of the tournament when he pwned Vegeta.
Hit >= KK 10X SSJB Goku >>> Merged Zamasu > Deteriorating Zamasu > SSJB Black saga Vegeta > SSJB Black saga Goku > Zamasu >>> SSJB tournament Goku/Vegeta >>> SSJB tournament Vegeta(post Frost, Magetta, Cabba fights).
Vegeta was what, like 1/10th as strong as he was at the beginning of the tournament? Otherwise, he would have EASILY knocked Hit out before he could evolve to his level.
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Or Hit got "marginally" stronger against super kaioken Goku.
This "marginally stronger" Vegeta held off fused Zamasu. He was a damned sight more than "marginal".
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The producer (an important job that requires unknowable knowledge of the show) has confirmed Black is over everything that isn't a GoD or fused. Black wins, now, obviously. I'm taking a knowledgeable WoG over fan theories any day of the week.
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I'm going by what's shown during the show. You can ignore that if you want but Hit is more powerful. We will probably get to see this in further detail when he show up on earth.
Please look above. Vegeta was owning Black which is the reason him and Z merged. Z even flies over to try and assist Black with Vegeta. Hit treated both Vegeta and Goku like fodder and if Goku didn't amp himself, he would lost to a holding back Hit. Open your eyes.
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Imo, there isn't enough shown to make me believe Goku back then, with KKx10 SSB, is stronger than current SSB. I remember base Goku during the Ginyu saga being significantly stronger than KKx4 Goku in the Saiyin saga. So there is a discussion to be had on that subject given the nature of the passage of time and training in DB.
That potential discussion is killed, though, by WoG.
You're obviously trolling. Goku took on both Z and Black and was stomping them. Vegeta was stomping Black. Hit treated Goku like fodder in a single hit. Hit stomps without getting touched.
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