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I disagree. There should be no Dooku vs Anakin fights. Anakin should be inferior to Dooku, especially at the time of TCW Movie, Grievous should be better, Ashoka shouldn't exist as Anakin's pupil, and despite this, she should be less skilled.
Anakin and Obi-Wan should be a much better combo. Aaaand man! Bringing up Maul, and left us without him confronting Anakin? Or Dooku? Or even Mace? Kenobi vs Grievous/Maul and Anakin vs Dooku and Ventress all the time? The whole Jedi Council outsmarted by Bane in their own temple? All of this, only for what? For Ahsoka saving a day?
And battle of Cato Neimodia? Anakin saved by Tano during a ships battle? Really? Filoni is a pathetic, son of the bitc.. He's nothing compere to Stover/Luceno/Drew and Ostrander and c.o. Small piece of...

TCW could be a muuuuch better. Most of us, users of KMC would be better as directors of this show.

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^ I think it was fine upto the end of TCW. Both Mace and Dooku were given some nice feats. Maul was made much more 3 dimensional. Anakin was shown slowly gaining power. Kenobi had some low showings then finally in the S5 opener really showed what he can do.

But now with Lucas gone it seems Filoni has really let loose on all his own fanboy ideas while disrespecting the characters which he's not as fond of.
Your perception does not matter. I do not care what you posters think should and shouldn't happen. You aren't in a position to dictate canon. Accept it because otherwise you're just a crybaby fanboy living in his own world. This is why I'll always win.


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But Filoni is. And it seems, that Maul will have his ass kicked by Ezra in S3

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But Filoni is. And it seems, that Maul will have his ass kicked by Ezra in S3
There will be context to what occurs. One ep in and we can see Ezra has grown in power. Ezra and Kanan humiliated Vader very early on.


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Lol @ Ezra and Kanan humiliating Vader.

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Lol @ Ezra and Kanan humiliating Vader.
Knocking him on his ass definitely did so.


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Knocking him on his ass definitely did so.


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We do not know the context and Ezra has grown in power since then. smile


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Yet you ignore the context, where Vader was clearly distracted by exploding Walkers, which was the only reason he was pushed by Kanan and Ezra.

Fair? No, now stop.


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Yet you ignore the context, where Vader was clearly distracted by exploding Walkers, which was the only reason he was pushed by Kanan and Ezra.

Fair? No, now stop.
Destroyed.


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You are misunderstanding me. I didn't mean he meant to imply he's a scrub only that he needed them for Vader as to assuade their anxiety in aligning with a former Sith Lord. You just screwed the pooch with this and thus concede he thought he'd meet up with Vader and tried to kill them anyways.


Right. So what about that part where you said Maul was deceiving them into making them think he was weak...? I'm asking you directly about it now, so just stop trying to avoid it saying 'I misunderstand' or 'I missed the point'.

The fact that Maul thought he might eventually face Vader in no way proves the following:

1. Maul is above Vader.
2. Maul thinks he's above Vader.
3. Maul wouldn't avoid facing Vader if possible.

And I still have yet to concede shit to you and your shitty arguments.

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It was a massive weapon but at no point does the episode point to power amplification for dark siders. This only makes Vader look worse off than anyone since he had ample time against Tano and was unable to hurt her in any significant way. They fought for a short time and she left. Somehow fighting Vader for a longer time without any injuries means worse for Maul. You're a damn fool. Biased, stupid, and weak.


The show doesn't need to point out everything for something like that to be pretty clear, and the fact that it's not explicitly stated doesn't mean much. There's even evidence and strong implications that Malachor is indeed a dark side nexus [both of which I provided above but you, yet again, conveniently ignored or dismissed without an actual counter-argument].

Lmao, you're pretty much the only one who believes Tano actually beat Vader, even with evidence stacked against you and you relying on a ridiculous cheap shot to declare her the winner, so I'm just really not going to bother arguing about this anymore with someone so mind-numbingly blind and so very much in denial. Hell, when the most loyal and arduous Ahsoka supporters [Joker and Beni] accept Ahsoka lost to Vader, you're left with absolutely zero credibility.

You know what means worse for Maul? The fact that Ahsoka managed to duel him on even grounds in spite of the fact that they were fighting on a dark nexus. Regardless of how Vader did against Ahsoka, Maul couldn't manage to get the upper hand over her despite the advantage. What do you have to say about that? You're just using Vader's performance as a scapegoat for how Maul fared against Ahsoka. Let me tell you something everyone already knows, and that you keep denying: Vader did better against Ahsoka than Maul could ever hope for.

Oh and keep calling me biased, you only further embarrass yourself. thumb up


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A duel ends with a winner. Vader never won and only delayed her. You are misrepresenting my argument because yours is so damn pitiful.


So delaying her means pushing her back, outdueling her and TKing her off the temple? Because, according to you, in no way does that demonstrate some sort of combative superiority over her, right? Oh yeah, that's right. The cheap shot = Ahsoka beating Vader.


God.


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Vader has precognition, distance between the two, and a dark side nexus according to you. He was slow to react. I've made this claim about him before. smile


Guess who also has precognition, distance between them and a dark side nexus on his list of advantages against Kanan? Guess who was slow to react against Kanan? Let me give you a clue. His name starts with M and ends with aul.

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Vader temporarily kept her away. If that's a definitive win to you then Vader lost to Ezra and Kanan.


When a definitive win to you = a cheap shot from behind, then it's very clear whose logic is faulty as ****.

I'm not going to go there because Zen already destroyed this idiotic argument in one single post, though. smile


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He was overconfident and fell off.


Are you talking about when a blind Kanan pushed him off the Temple, or when Padawan Kenobi cut him in half?


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He wasn't injured



The fact that he wasn't injured speaks of Maul's toughness and physical resistance. It has absolutely nothing to do with the actual duel.

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and had already had Kanan dead to rights before Tano intervened.


It's already been established now that you use a fight's context to your convenience, but I'll gladly point it out again:

Kanan was as good as dead without Ahsoka because Maul blinded him via cheap shot. Kanan's defenses weren't even up, his lightsaber wasn't even ignited. Him blinding Kanan counts for nothing in Maul's favor. So Ahsoka intervening is irrelevant.

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Tell you what let's meet. I get to blind you and you can push me off a short ledge in which I'm fine. You can brag about getting the better of me. Sound good ?


ROFL, this has got to be the most pathetic argument I've ever read coming from you, and that's saying something.

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Maul blinded him for life. You're an idiot.


You're becoming desperate. It's hilarious.

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And his opinion no matter how weighted isn't a fact.


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Yet you ignore the context, where Vader was clearly distracted by exploding Walkers, which was the only reason he was pushed by Kanan and Ezra.

Fair? No, now stop.
So a well trained guy with years of experience can't handle some exploding walkers against two novices. I accept that. Vader was overwhelmed in that scene. He gets distracted a lot, apparently.


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Destroyed.
Yes, Zen was destroyed for all time right there.


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Right. So what about that part where you said Maul was deceiving them into making them think he was weak...? I'm asking you directly about it now, so just stop trying to avoid it saying 'I misunderstand' or 'I missed the point'.

The fact that Maul thought he might eventually face Vader in no way proves the following:

1. Maul is above Vader.
2. Maul thinks he's above Vader.
3. Maul wouldn't avoid facing Vader if possible.

And I still have yet to concede shit to you and your shitty arguments.

I am saying he wanted to give them a false sense of him needing them to relieve their apprehension.

1-3. I never said it did. I said it wasn't proof Vader is above him since the two have never met.
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The show doesn't need to point out everything for something like that to be pretty clear, and the fact that it's not explicitly stated doesn't mean much. There's even evidence and strong implications that Malachor is indeed a dark side nexus [both of which I provided above but you, yet again, conveniently ignored or dismissed without an actual counter-argument].
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So you can't prove it and think an amp wouldn't need to be spelled out. If it isn't spelled out then chances are its baseless to say it provided a significant amp. If you make the claim the onus falls on you not me to disprove your horseshit. You seem altogether confused about the fundamentals of debating.

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Lmao, you're pretty much the only one who believes Tano actually beat Vader, even with evidence stacked against you and you relying on a ridiculous cheap shot to declare her the winner, so I'm just really not going to bother arguing about this anymore with someone so mind-numbingly blind and so very much in denial. Hell, when the most loyal and arduous Ahsoka supporters [Joker and Beni] accept Ahsoka lost to Vader, you're left with absolutely zero credibility.
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Do not misrepresent my arguments. I said Tano got the better of. No one was definitively beaten. I don't care what any Tano supporters say. You may be fooled into thinking the popular opinion must be right. I go by the evidence. Look at what occurred to both and tell me who was better off at the end of the day ? I guarantee your answer will be Tano. Some of the jackasses on here thought she was dead.

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You know what means worse for Maul? The fact that Ahsoka managed to duel him on even grounds in spite of the fact that they were fighting on a dark nexus. Regardless of how Vader did against Ahsoka, Maul couldn't manage to get the upper hand over her despite the advantage. What do you have to say about that? You're just using Vader's performance as a scapegoat for how Maul fared against Ahsoka. Let me tell you something everyone already knows, and that you keep denying: Vader did better against Ahsoka than Maul could ever hope for.

Oh and keep calling me biased, you only further embarrass yourself. thumb up
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That is a baseless claim and one you hypocritically insist on degrading Maul for while sidestepping for Vader. They didn't fight for the same time period. Vader was struck in the face and damaged., Vader managed to force push her. Who cares ?

Speculative, biased nonsense.


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So delaying her means pushing her back, outdueling her and TKing her off the temple? Because, according to you, in no way does that demonstrate some sort of combative superiority over her, right? Oh yeah, that's right. The cheap shot = Ahsoka beating Vader.
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He force pushed her. If you think that is a solid win despite no damage and according to you under a dark side nexus you're full of shit.

She inflicted more damage so I believe she got the better of him. There isn't some score card here in which a judge decides. You think a force push is greater than a face slash.
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Yes, my son ?

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Guess who also has precognition, distance between them and a dark side nexus on his list of advantages against Kanan? Guess who was slow to react against Kanan? Let me give you a clue. His name starts with M and ends with aul.



When a definitive win to you = a cheap shot from behind, then it's very clear whose logic is faulty as ****.

I'm not going to go there because Zen already destroyed this idiotic argument in one single post, though. smile [/B]
Maul was overconfident and you haven't proven a dark side nexus. It's baseless.

Guess who already had him beaten until another force user got involved ? Starts with an M and ends with an aul.

No, Zen didn't. I destroyed him and other posters agreed.





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Are you talking about when a blind Kanan pushed him off the Temple, or when Padawan Kenobi cut him in half?





The fact that he wasn't injured speaks of Maul's toughness and physical resistance. It has absolutely nothing to do with the actual duel.
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Both instances are overconfidence,

Maul already had him dead to rights but Tano jumped in. That's relevant despite your girlish insistence it doesn't.

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It's already been established now that you use a fight's context to your convenience, but I'll gladly point it out again:

Kanan was as good as dead without Ahsoka because Maul blinded him via cheap shot. Kanan's defenses weren't even up, his lightsaber wasn't even ignited. Him blinding Kanan counts for nothing in Maul's favor. So Ahsoka intervening is irrelevant.



ROFL, this has got to be the most pathetic argument I've ever read coming from you, and that's saying something. [/B]
Kanan had his saber on him, he didn't defend himself in time. Point blank. So now precognition doesn't count and you want to ignore what happened. Sad. You ignore their abilities when it suits you and create false unprovable amps when it doesn't.

So you won't answer the question because you know I'm right. Gutless curr.


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You're becoming desperate. It's hilarious.



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You have always been desperate. It's who you are that nerdy kid unable to ever land a date because he's incapable of social interaction.


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