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Anakin did push back a magnaguard's arm mid punch too.
Again though, it said that Dooku no-longer tried to block Anakin's strikes head-on; not that he couldn't. It was an attempt to save energy. How do we know this wouldn't be the case if Dooku fought Windu or Yoda for a longer period of time? Maybe he was contending with their strength at the beginning while he could spend his reserves lavishly. Don't see how this means Anakin>Sidious/Yoda>Grievous in strength.
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Anakin's strikes were powerful enough that Dooku could not defend against them - all he could do is slant them to the side and retreat. It states he "no longer tried" because Dooku tried earlier. However, he was completely unsuccessful. Thus, as Anakin continued his attack, it got to a point where Dooku didn't have the strength to even attempt to directly block Anakin's blows (like he did against Yoda) or strike back (like he also did against Yoda). The fact that Dooku had to "respond his reserves lavishly" to avoid being outright killed (note the text doesn't state he uses it to defend himself as expected in a combat situation - he uses it to avoid absolute death) by Anakin's strength explicitly demonstrates a distinction between his other fights, where the text, comic, and visual representations do not remotely convey such. Hell, a distinction can be found by sheer virtue of the fact that Anakin's third blow was already bending Dooku's lightsaber back far enough to injure him. This was never the case for his confrontations against Yoda, Mace Windu, Grievous, etc.
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I'll address what I presume is causing the confusion:
Vader = Savage. Simply put, Savage hurling Dooku with the sheer weight of a strike, proving too physically powerful for Anakin and Obi-Wan combined to hold down, and his ragdolling of Ventress suggests to me in a contest of sheer strength he's about equal with Vader. They're about the same size, where Vader is more powerful, Savage's magic-enhanced muscle probably outdoes Vader's cybernetics, and in terms of feats Savage leaves me more impressed. I give Vader the benefit of the doubt because of the Vader-force that surrounds him.
Vader > Anakin. Thought this'd be a no-brainer. Vader is more powerful than Anakin with amped physicality from his cybernetics. Not factoring in Legends, for the record.
Kenobi > Grievous > Ventress > Dooku
I personally think Maul/Kenobi's augmentation affords them greater potential strength than Grievous's cybernetics, though in canon it's harder to say I suppose. Though, depending on the flow of the fight Grievous could be too strong for either.
Grievous is just... better than Ventress? She overcame him on Dathomir but think of the multitude of times Grievous has physically battered Obi-Wan.
Ventress being stronger than Dooku is because of how I interpreted their performances against Savage. People like to bring up Dooku throwing Kenobi and Ventress around without even approaching the possibility that, and take a deep breath before you hear this, that he used their momentum to throw them. Now exhale. Makes a little more sense now. Dooku is old as shit, and just isn't that strong.
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In that case I see your point regarding Anakin and Vader if by "Legends" you mean ignoring canon in favour of Legends. I don't really see the merit in doing that, but by all means, we're all allowed to pretend.
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
Which is fine and all, but when current, authoritative material is saying Vader > Anakin, and is only contradicted by older, non-canon material, I get the impression that it's probably a good idea to give one the higher merit. If Legends and Canon were actually separate entities, fair enough, but the fact is Canon is the official universe, what happened, and "Legends" is a collection of stories which stem from the main universe and aren't valid until stated otherwise.
Do whatever the hell you like, ignore what you want for the sake of discussion, but LotS is what I give precedent to even if I was factoring in Legends.
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Nov 15th, 2016 08:08 PM
Thanks Scribble!
