To be fair, he seems pretty ignorant about the Thor films in general. After all, in another thread not too long ago, he didn't even know that Loki had secretly taken the throne at the end of TDW, and also didn't remember the BiFrost being used in an attempt to destroy Jotunheim, in the first Thor film. So, why would he remember things like Thor blasting the Aether apart (arguably one of his most powerful lightning blasts to date) without showing any kind of charge up beforehand? Or the instance where he fired a blast of lightning through the ground at Malekith, during their end fight, again without charging anything?
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Yeah, they kind of hinted at resolving it in the Dr Strange mid-credit scene, but given the lack of Odin in the Ragnarok teaser, as well as Loki still seemingly in a position of power (he was chilling with Grandmaster, and also shown leading forces in a different scene), I really have no idea how that is going to go. Because I read a rumour a while back that Hela gets free due to Loki's rather lax rule of Asgard.
Interesting theory I also heard is that Heimdall has the final Infinity Stone inside him, hence the eye colour and his ability to sense "souls" all over the Nine Realms, as mentioned in TDW. And in Thor's vision of the apocalyptic future, Heimdall is depicted as having lost his sight. But I haven't seen anything official to support it though.
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^ Hmm interesting theory about Heimdall. But they gave one to the Collector because they didn't want 2 so close together. Well I'm sure all will be addressed in Ragnarok. Still they made us wait 4 years for Loki/Odin cliffhanger!
Btw h1a8, I rewatched AOU and didn't see any charging prior to Thor firing on Ultron. In fact in the big battle scene where they are all fighting together Thor also fires multiple drones without charging.
So he charges in rare circumstances. So Not sure why you're making things up about him.
SG doesn't use great speed and perceptions because she decides not to. It's because she was written without them in particular scenes. This has nothing to do with character but plot driven writing.
Saying it is not doesn't prove anything. I gave a physics proof as well as real life evidence supporting the claim. You gave nothing but "it's not".To prove a claim is false you must give a counter example. Show me an example where someone casually exerts a specific force with their arm (curling, lifting, pressing, etc) and they can't strike with equivalent or greater force. The onus is now on you. I gave evidence supporting my claim. You must give evidence or show a counter example to rebut it.
Thor has no feats, striking, or lifting to suggest he can hit with a million tons of force. If you disagree then post which feats and we will analyze them.
1. I'm just alluding to the possibility that Thor still had juice left from the last charge. But my stance is that he charged the hammer prior to the scene (most likely off screen) and did not produce lightning without having to charge Mjolnir prior.
2. I'm not lying. That would mean to purposely tell an untruth for the sole purpose to mislead. I was wrong in saying that everytime Thor shot lightning forth that he was shown to charge the hammer first. But my stance on him needing to charge the hammer prior still stands. Otherwise, it would contradict all the times he was shown needing to charge the hammer before firing.
3 Except that we have many instances of Thor charging the hammer before firing. These scenes alone prove that Thor MUST do this in order to produce a lightning shot from his hammer. Now whether Thor charges right before the shot or prior (off screen) is irrelevant.
Anyone with common sense will use speed and their perceptions to win a fight. SG don't go around purposely deciding not to use speed or perceptions. She just isn't written with great speed and perceptions sometimes for the sake of the plot.
She s not irrational at all. You are confusing plot with her decisions in a forum fight. I'm using her best strength feat as the strength level she will be capable of in this forum fight. I didn't say she's going to hit Thor with millions of tons of force. I said that she has that capability. She will most likely hit Thor with far less in order to not kill him outright. But as long as she has the capability then she has plenty of room to increase her hitting strength when needed.
I didn't say many seconds. I said a few seconds. You purposely lie and troll in order for me to look bad. Let me do that on my own. No need to exaggerate. Just tell the truth as it is.
Anyway. There are more showings where Thor is shown charging the hammer before shooting lightning than the other way around. So how is it the norm the other way around?
I didn't claim that Thor's hammer can't hold a charge. It can. But when it is fresh out of juice then he must charge it again. In this fight he starts with it fresh out of juice.
Actually, I'll drop the argument. Thor can point and shoot lightning without charging it since I see that it's moot anyway. SG either tanks it momentarily or avoids it or hits Thor before he does it.
Interesting, so h1 is now arguing that Supergirl has been mentally controlled during every episode of her show and thus how she's been show to act can't be used as examples of what would be in character.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
He's even acknowledging that she is very frequently written without the "enemies frozen" level of speed and perceptions, but still wants to use a handful of superspeed outliers instead. Also, you would think that someone who can scale their strikes up to million ton+ force would do so more often, considering the situations she frequently finds herself.
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But has she ever blitzed someone, or gone an entire fight not getting hit?
If so then at least he can argue what SG would do at her best. But I'd like to see clips tbh, or at least point to the exact fight and episode so I can check it myself.
There are a lot of instances where SG avoids getting hit. But the attacks most likely weren't bullet speed attacks. But who knows?
We have a basic disagreement of how forum characters will operate. I use highest feats to secure the maximum level of what a character will be capable of (not necessarily operating at). I also use the reasoning that speed of perception will always be on, regardless of some scenes written without. SG doesn't have to blitz Thor. But her perceptions will be always on. If Thor decides to shoot lightning then she will see his hand move in slow motion and easily avoid it.
SG has also tanked limewire's lightning too. She was koed in one scene and has tanked it in another. That's how inconsistent she is.
She uses speed and perceptions against Barry. She also is shown to instant blitz run with him to help him get home. This proves that she has the capability of using speed and having fast perceptions. She is written without these abilities in some scenes. Thus it is not her choosing not to use them (character).
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
If she doesn't use that speed in combat then it's kinda moot. Even if it's just 1 time, then you can at least argue "SG at her best will do this". Although I know if Thor does something just once, you won't accept it.
Anyway she threw Barry, doesn't mean she could hit her hardest at that speed. Remember Thor is a lot tougher than Barry, and it will require some powerful blows to put him down.
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