Quote where you stated this in the thread and it better be before you were called on it. because at that point it would just be you making excuses for your blatant double standards
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Because if he's a fallible character then he doesn't know everything, and could be mistaken.
Even truthful people can be mistaken. Happens all the times in films and tv shows.
The writer doesn't get what he wants. He influences canon but doesn't decide it.
You also have no idea what the writer wants.
These are all points that have been explained to you over and over but you just ignore them and keep repeating the same thing. It's like debating a recorded video at this point.
No, it's not.
Because "the writer" of that 1 episode doesn't get to decide that through unsubstantiated dialogue.
LOL No. You have no idea how these shows work.
An event is canon. Dialogue is not.
Writers change each episode. Canon is > than any one writer. Please do some reading - "Death of the Author", which I've recommended to you weeks ago, yet you're coming back spewing the same arguments on repeat, not having read or learned anything since.
Good way to ignore what I said and repeat yourself. That's a genius way to debate.
I'll repeat. Whether a character is fallible or not has absolutely nothing to do with the writer WANTING the character to be telling the truth in a particular scene.
What decides Canon if it isn't the writer?
I know the writer wanted the key to actually weigh a million tons.
I addressed the points with a rebuttal. It's you who are ignoring my points and repeating the same stuff. So if a writer legitimately wanted SG to lift a million ton key in a particular episode then he doesn't have the power to do so? [QUOTE][B]
Terrible method of analysis when discussing Fallible In Universe characters.
Stop going around in circles and actually prove what the writer wanted, instead of making it up yourself.
The source material.
Again, for the love of everything, read up on Death of the Author. A concept which is much more relevant in show that has multiple authors and creators.
And I KNOW that you're wrong.
What a great standard of debating you've stooped us down to.
I've addressed all of your points. You're the one making up "facts" and "intentions" you know nothing about. You're also are not well educated on canon. I've suggested you do some reading on Death of the Author, but you refuse and instead just keep parroting the same few sentences.
[QUOTE=16213572]Originally posted by h1a8 So if a writer legitimately wanted SG to lift a million ton key in a particular episode then he doesn't have the power to do so?
Actually, No he doesn't.
And you also don't know what the writer wanted, but you will continue to ignore that point and keep trolling the thread by parroting the same few sentences.
Then I countered with this.
Note: point 2 is using his same logic.
So if he doesn't buy 1 then he must buy 2.
And this isn't the only time. You and FrothByte has countless used ABC logic towards WS and Cap's material feats to quantify the feats against each other (or towards another character).
I think it was you that argued Caps durability by equating Bucky breaking concrete, pulling a steering column, etc to Cap taking the same punches at the end of WS movie.
Quote where you stated this in the thread and it better be before you were called on it. because at that point it would just be you making excuses for your blatant double standards
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Except your example isn't as logical as Robtard's, mine, or anyone else's arguments.
WS being able to crack concrete with his punch is a clear indicator that he has enough power to crack Bane's mask in a single hit, unless you believe the mask is tougher than concrete. This is a logical conclusion. On the other hand, saying that Bane can tank hits from Bucky's metal arm simply because he tanked hits from Batman is illogical and quite frankly, just plain dumb.
The main difference between your debating style and ours is that you're missing one key thing: proof. Majority of us back up our arguments with proof. You back up yours with opinions and some half-assed attempt at physics.
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Quote where you stated you were just using other people's logic, and the quote better be from before you are called out for your double standards
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Also, notice how he quotes a post Robtard made (on page 3) after he made the posts I quoted (on page 2) as supposed evidence that he did so in response to others.
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His first tactic was to completely ignore my question, when that didn't work he decided to pretend he didn't understand the question. Now he'll probably claim that my question isn't relevant.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
I said, "using your logic" multiple times. Each to different situations.
I'll just say this, my stating Bane's durability as a basis of Batman's feats was genuinely in retaliation of others using the same logic.
My argument is clear. Post 2 or more different arguments. If one doesn't work then the other must work.
Quote where you said "using your logic" and the quote better be from before you were called out on your double standards.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Probably. But as I already pointed out, I have no problem if people use other feats as a reference to determine someone's durability, as long as it gets applied to both sides. Which, as we all know, is not what he did. In fact, I don't recall a single person actually having a problem with him using hits from Batman as a reference for Bane's durability. People had an issue with the fact that he was doing it while not only failing to post clips of those so-called "superhuman" feats that prove that taking hits from Batman means he could take hits from the metal arm (which multiple posters, including myself, repeatedly asked him to provide), but also trying to pull the "fluctuating power levels" shtick with Bucky's feats, to either lowball or dismiss them, and arbitrarily making stuff up, like the "2 to 4 times stronger" number, without quantifiable proof, and then trying to use his cooked up numbers as fact.
But anyway, he is on Ignore for me now, so I only see his posts if I am either not logged in, or happen to see him quoted by someone else. Regardless, I am done addressing him directly.
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The last Supergirl episode of the season was on Monday this week, and she had a really good showing. She actually punched superman out, lets just say he was being mine controlled, in case somebody has not seen it yet. Then she fights the evil queen DAxamite one on one, is exposed to a small amount of kryptonite, but overcomes the weakness in wins the fight. At one point she was slammed down through reinforced pavement into the sewer or whatever was down there and the fight with Superman took her down there and into some large buildings, so the durability and offense of output both were pretty impressive. Not quite on the same full level as the Superman movie where he and the other kryptonian's were duking it out, but it was pretty close. As close as we are going to get on a normal television episode, without big budget movie effects. It was a really good showing. I've been lowballing her up until now, but she should be able to handle Thor at least 5/10 without the hammer. With a hammer, he is still going to win the majority. In this last Supergirl episode, superman even said after the fight with her, that even though he was mine controlled, he had not been weekend, and she beat him in a fair fight, and so she was proclaimed the champion of earth, which is why she was able to challenge the Daxamite queen to begin with. And then the way she overCame The kryptonite exposure during the fight with the queen, they were clearly showing her to be maturing on a new level. And, if you watch the fighting, for combat skill was a lot better also.
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