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socool8520
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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yes i agree.

But how do you explain the records of the same belief that dates before the Vikings landing into America?

Because the Mayas believed in Hell and Heaven long time before the Vikings arrived. So i don't understand how can someone influence what already exists.

They are not the same. Do you know what same and similar mean?

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Religion is wishful thinking. It's a very weak argument because there is nothing to support it objectively.

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That's cause and effect man. That's not exclusive to religion. That's basic morality with a little of the supernatural thrown in.

They have "SIMILAR" lines of thought. They also won't have them at the exact same time either. Europeans made guns, but Aztecs had Bows. Similar ways of thinking but not exactly. You didn't disprove the point.

Again, not same, similar. Are you telling me that Aztec/Mayan religions were exactly the same as Christianity?

Unicorns were an example dude.

Religions are legends. lol

Well then you are assuming that in their imagination they thought of the same concept? That's coincidence.

Again it's a matter of what you belief.

I personally don't believe in coincidence.

Things happen for a reason.

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Religion is wishful thinking. It's a very weak argument because there is nothing to support it objectively.

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In science terms religion is a big Theory.

In that aspect i don't see how is the Relativity Theory, or The Evolution Theory, or the Big Bang Theory any better.

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In science terms religion is a big Theory.

In that aspect i don't see how is the Relativity Theory, or The Evolution Theory, or the Big Bang Theory any better.

Evidence to support it. There is nothing logical about religion and it's very contradictory.

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Well then you are assuming that in their imagination they thought of the same concept? That's coincidence.

Again it's a matter of what you belief.

I personally don't believe in coincidence.

Things happen for a reason.

I'm not assuming. That has happened in human history. Ever heard of dragons? They pop up in several civilization's legends, and while similar, are not the same. Are you saying they must exist now?

Of course they do, it just isn't a supernatural being pulling the strings behind the scenes.

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In science terms religion is a big Theory.

In that aspect i don't see how is the Relativity Theory, or The Evolution Theory, or the Big Bang Theory any better.

Religion isn't a theory. Gravity is a theory. Evolution is a theory. Religion isn't.

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Evidence to support it. There is nothing logical about religion and it's very contradictory.

AHA. What isnt logical about religion my friend?

And who said Religion doesn't have evidence to support it?

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I'm not assuming. That has happened in human history. Ever heard of dragons? They pop up in several civilization's legends, and while similar, are not the same. Are you saying they must exist now?

Of course they do, it just isn't a supernatural being pulling the strings behind the scenes.

YEAH DRAGONS!!

You brought a good point.

How would a person from back then describes an Jet that flies 1000 km/h?

Do you believe in Aliens?

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Religion isn't a theory. Gravity is a theory. Evolution is a theory. Religion isn't.

A theory is something that hasn't be proven.

Religion is a theory because it isn't proved nor disproved.

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A theory is something that hasn't be proven.

Religion is a theory because it isn't proved nor disproved.

That's wrong, though.
Are you saying Gravity hasn't been proven?
Anyway,
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...-science-words/
http://notjustatheory.com/

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Oh....I see what's going on here. You watched the "Ancient Aliens" series and decided to see how it would play out in a forum based discussion.

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Just an observation:

This thread was concluded when I posted a clip of William Lane Craig slaughtering Sam Harris. No need to drag it out, especially given that the quality of arguments from both sides is abysmal.

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Just an observation:

This thread was concluded when I posted a clip of William Lane Craig slaughtering Sam Harris. No need to drag it out, especially given that the quality of arguments from both sides is abysmal.

You may proceed

yeah okay, since you said it, it must be so. Thanks for your contributions.

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yeah okay, since you said it, it must be so. Thanks for your contributions.

Indeed.

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socool8520
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lol

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That's wrong, though.
Are you saying Gravity hasn't been proven?
Anyway,
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...-science-words/
http://notjustatheory.com/

https://blog.ed.ted.com/2016/06/07/...in-ted-ed-gifs/

A theory explains why things occurs, just like Religion does.

A theory tries to explain how things work. However it doesn't mean they are right and proven to the point where they are irrefutable.

Else you wouldn't have a bunch of theories on how the Universe came to be.

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Oh....I see what's going on here. You watched the "Ancient Aliens" series and decided to see how it would play out in a forum based discussion.

The question was whether you believed in Aliens or not. You watched it? Great! It shall be easier to move on.

So do you believe in Aliens?

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https://blog.ed.ted.com/2016/06/07/...in-ted-ed-gifs/

A theory explains why things occurs, just like Religion does.

A theory tries to explain how things work. However it doesn't mean they are right and proven to the point where they are irrefutable.

Else you wouldn't have a bunch of theories on how the Universe came to be.

That's actually really interesting, thanks for the link.
But...
A scientific theory is an explanation of some aspect of the natural world that has been substantiated through repeated experiments or testing.
Religion hasn't been substantiated through repeated experiments or testing. So, it's not a theory.

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That's actually really interesting, thanks for the link.
But...
A scientific theory is an explanation of some aspect of the natural world that has been substantiated through repeated experiments or testing.
Religion hasn't been substantiated through repeated experiments or testing. So, it's not a theory.

Yeah, and why do you assume that the people from back them didn't experimented with a Supreme Being?

If you can't disprove it then it's a theory.

It explains why things happened and it hasn't been rebuked. So it's a theory. It fills the parameters.

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socool8520
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Originally posted by Stigma

This thread was concluded when I posted a clip of William Lane Craig slaughtering Sam Harris. No need to drag it out, especially given that the quality of arguments from both sides is abysmal.

I watched the video. He didn't slaughter anything. He argued what good and bad meant and then said Atheism doesn't have anything that tells you to be good. So what? That's what the law is for. I don't know about you, but I trust someone who does the right thing because he wants to, over the individual that does it out of fear of eternal damnation.

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yeah, and why do you assume that the people from back them didn't experimented with a Supreme Being?

There is no basis that they did. Not that they had the knowledge we have, anyway.

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Josh_Alexander
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Let's put it this way people! Let's follow your beliefs!

Lets say you are right, and the Supreme Being Theory is taken out of the equation!

What are we left with then?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing!

The Big Bang Theory explains why the Universe came to be, not why it happen!

The Evolution Theory explains how organisms evolve not how organisms came to be!

All of this theories fail to answer why they happened in the first place!

Why don't we longer have more Big Bangs? Why aren't they species in other planets?

Why are we the ONLY specie on Earth with Intelligence?

If you think Science has a better answer you are very mistaken!

So I ask? Why is the Theory of God anymore different than all the others?

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