Yes, you do. It requires certain proof. Which you can't provide without simply saying it is so, or pointing to your Bronze Age mythology book.
No, the sun is obvious. God is not obvious and likely fiction.
Then how did "GOD" come to be? If the universe is so infinitely complex and majestic that it necessitates a "GOD", would not "GOD" necessitate something higher?
Perhaps your "GOD" is a demiurge, and the real god is ignorant of your faith.
Mindblowing, though, how you reason this shit out.
He created a universe where gay sex was a thing, for shame.
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The title of this thread says ”…First Revealed….”.
I did not claim that other cultures did not know about the things that the Bible revealed first. My claim is that the Bible is the Word of God because (among other things) the various writers wrote about scientific facts they had no way of knowing about due to the fact that the technology used to discover those things didn’t exist yet.
These are salient facts that beg the question: how did these so-called “illiterate, Bronze-Age goatherders” (who were contemptuously dubbed this by modern-day atheists, agnostics, and skeptics) know things that were, at that time, unknown?
What is the logical answer?
You call a number of these discoveries “basic” stuff—but the Bible “knew” about all of these scientific facts before other cultures.
Also, I noticed that you conveniently skipped over numbers 1, 6, and 7.
Number 1: Earth “free floats” in space, and is “spherical.”
Number 6: Underwater ocean “springs”.
Number 7: Underwater “mountains”.
How could so-called “illiterate, Bronze-Age goat herders” (long before Pythagoras, Copernicus, and NASA) know that Earth “free floats” in space, and is “spherical”?
How could so-called “illiterate, Bronze-Age goat herders” (long before oceanographers and other scientists—and without the aid of submarines capable of withstanding 6,000 pounds-per-square-inch of ocean-depth pressure) know that “underwater springs existed”?
How could so-called “illiterate, Bronze-Age goat herders” (long before oceanographers and other scientists—and without the aid of submarines capable of withstanding 6,000 pounds-per-square-inch of ocean-depth pressure) know that “underwater mountains existed”?
The facts are undeniable.
Truly, all-Scripture is given by inspiration of God….
^ Your rationalizations are truly astounding. You are missing the point because it is not some miracle that the writers of the Bible knew these things because as is obvious other cultures and people not inspired by God knew about them too. Your cluttered logic falls apart.
Okay, so let's assume that's true. I doubt it is, but let's just pretend...
It's not that grand of a revelation. Why didn't God inform his poor creations dying of all sorts of awful diseases about the germ theory of disease? How about a magic recipe for an antibiotic? Or how about how to build an airplane? How to make a light bulb? How about the true origin of man (yeah, evolution is a fact, the Bible got it wrong, sorry)? Basic physics or chemistry? Electricity? Or any other number of scientific discoveries?
Ocean springs and mountains don't even really count as major scientific discoveries.
The people who actually did the writing of the Bible were quite educated, literate(obviously), and knowledgeable. So while it's true that the teeming masses were indeed illiterate, benighted bronze age farmers and goat herders, the people who wrote the Bible were the educated elite.
Now concerning point #1: Pythagoras's research and ideas pre-date the Bible. But even before Pythagoras, #1 was theorized by the scientist/philosopher Anaximander. So I suppose we can scratch 1) off the list. Now we're down to only 6) and 7).
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What is the point of having an 'extraordinary brain' if the Cosmic God has to spoon-feed us everything?
How about the fact that this planet contains materials that are enabling us (humans) to gain competitive advantage and redefine our way of life with passage of time? Some materials formed on Earth and others came from space (seeded through comets).
There is a lot of stuff on Earth that ancient humans did not knew how to utilize to their benefit but learned with passage of time - a sense of accomplishment for humans in short.
Argument in all Abrahmic scriptures is that this world is like a testing ground for all creations. Life-forms compete with each other for survival and extinctions are an eventuality from time-to-time. This is true for humans as well - technology will not change this "natural order." That we choose to believe in God or not - is a test for us all.
As for proof of existence of Cosmic God:-
Abrahmic scriptures are consistent on one thing: God has promised to disclose himself [one day] and have warned all non-believers and corrupt of dire consequences for not heeding his warnings and revelations - also known as the Hour or "Day of Judgement." This would be an extremely violent event and the end of 'human chapter' on Earth as we know it.
Even if you concentrate on the ground realities of this world and universe [objectively] - you will come to understand that humans are not going to endure for long and extinction is inevitable. Look at what a renowned scientist Stephen Hawking has to say about fate of humans: https://www.sciencealert.com/humani...awking-predicts (not a pretty picture)
Colonizing other planets sounds good on paper and looks cool in movies but reality is much more complex and grim. Mars looks like a good target but its environment is vastly different from that of Earth with relatively much higher levels of radiation, lack of protective magnetosphere, oceans and subjected to lethal blasts of solar energy from time-to-time. There are additional dangers and challenges to consider.
Sending a man to Mars is cool but this is far from colonizing the planet and we don't know if this expedition will be a success. Even if it is, there is no guarantee that we would be able to terraform the planet itself. Theories can be wrong and there are sound arguments against prospects of colonization of Mars. Some people take Star Wars way too seriously.
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Centers of knowledge were largely concentrated in ancient times. This is apparent from the observation that when an advanced civilization collapsed in a region - another more advanced civilization did not necessarily replace it in the same region and periods of ignorance usually followed.
Jesus Christ did not write any book though. Bible was written at a later stage with 40 contributors over time.
Our times are different. We have internet and a vast number of storage mediums to preserve our knowledge and spread it across the world.
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Uh, not sure what you're trying to say considering the odd grammatical errors, but if you're saying it's not a "sound critique" then I have to respectfully disagree. The OP is claiming that the Bible contains advanced scientific knowledge revealed from God through people long before technology could have possibly known it. So I pointed out some examples of scientific discoveries that the Bible could have revealed, but didn't, that would have actually been ahead of its time. Therefore it is sound logic to point out what the Bible could have revealed if it did indeed want to prove that it was profoundly revealed.
Not really sure what you're trying to defend... are you defending the Bible as truly advanced and profound God-like knowledge?
I could not agree more, but this is precisely what Christians seem to think. The Bible has everything man could ever possibly need, morally, ethically, spiritually, and apparently scientifically.
The timing of your posts and the reappearance of Stealth Moose seems remarkable. Even without that, I'm wary, but, I must say, if you are trolling, you've done a better job than almost any other poster I've seen in the past few years.
Actually, the Bible was written by people from various socioeconomic backgrounds. It was written by shepherds, prophets, a cupbearer, military leaders, kings, rulers/chief governors, a Jewish priest, fishermen, a tax collector, a physician, a tentmaker, etc.
So the Bible was written by men who represented a vast array of experiences, gifts, educational or non-educational attainments, cultures, vocations, occupations, literary styles, and personalities.
The only so-called educational elite were the apostle Paul, Moses, perhaps Daniel, and Luke.
The “oldest” book of the Bible (which revealed that Earth free floats in space) was written in the 15th century BC (approximately 780 plus years before Anaximander was born, and 840 plus years before Pythagoras was born).
The Book of Isaiah (which revealed that Earth is a sphere or spherical) was written in the 7th century BC (approximately 112 plus years before Anaximander was born, and 172 plus years before Pythagoras was born).
Anyone who was literate enough to write and write well back in the day was more or less part of the educated elite as even basic literacy was rare back in the day.
This isn't correct. The consensus among historians is that the OT was written between 6th and 2nd centuries BC so it doesn't pre-date Pythagoras and Anaximander.
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The Old Testament doesn't need to pre-date Pythagoras and Anaximander in order for the Book of Job to predate them, for Job is largely acknowledged as the oldest book IN the Old Testament, which is comprised of several books.
In case the above clip is removed, search sometime for Stephen Colbert and his video segments and either "Wikiality" or "Wikilobbying".
Note that after all this time, Wikipedia probably IS, indeed, a fairly reliable source for MOST things MOST of the time.
Got to say, this response took me back, for, before I wrote my response on Anaximander and Pythagoras, who both lived after 700 B.C., I had Google-searched "Book of Job" and found a range for Job of 1400 B.C. to 900 B.C...
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