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Superman vs. Avengers
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Hate to compare but QS in both MCU and Fox movies were pretty consistent. Majority of True Blood vamps were too. I mean, sure, there were times they might have acted without superspeed for the sake of plot but for the most part they were consistent.

WW (and Superman for that matter) seem to only use their superspeed half of the time.


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Originally posted by FrothByte
Hate to compare but QS in both MCU and Fox movies were pretty consistent. Majority of True Blood vamps were too. I mean, sure, there were times they might have acted without superspeed for the sake of plot but for the most part they were consistent.

WW (and Superman for that matter) seem to only use their superspeed half of the time.


But you do admit they do have it, right? And you do admit we arn't restricted by plot here in vs matches, right?


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But you do admit they do have it, right? And you do admit we arn't restricted by plot here in vs matches, right?


Oh I agree, I just don't want people saying Superman was moving so fast that WW looked like a statue and ignoring the fact that WW didn't use her superspeed in that fight.


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Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
But you do admit they do have it, right? And you do admit we arn't restricted by plot here in vs matches, right?


Precisely...

Characters fight to the best of their ability in a Forum Fight and are not handicapped by plot or PIS...

They fight going for the win from start to finish...

With that being said, the Avengers have no answer for Speed Blitz...

Even if Supes doesnt win inside the 1st 5 seconds of the fight, he will win; the Avengers simply have no answer for his power set...


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Oh I agree, I just don't want people saying Superman was moving so fast that WW looked like a statue and ignoring the fact that WW didn't use her superspeed in that fight.


I'm not so sure thats what they meant. I mean WW IS fast, fast enough to far outpace humans, even professional soldiers and make THEM look slow, and that was before her demigod power booster at the end of WW. That being said, IIRC if we crunch the numbers, she is still much slower than Superman, and even moreso Flash.

Superman in just about any media is.... well he's multi C levels of speed. I dunno if current DCEU will implement that (I'mn not sure they should, otherwise we may get Reeve levels of things like time reversal shit.) but the Flash is speedforce, which is just so far out there.... It's hard to put into words.


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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Precisely...

Characters fight to the best of their ability in a Forum Fight and are not handicapped by plot or PIS...

They fight going for the win from start to finish...

With that being said, the Avengers have no answer for Speed Blitz...

Even if Supes doesnt win inside the 1st 5 seconds of the fight, he will win; the Avengers simply have no answer for his power set...
They fight in character and saying best of their ability is a trolls tool to ignore the rest of their history and script the match. Superman gets crushed. Badly. Batman dominated him because his reflexes were fast enough to get the job down with weakness exploitation.


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Nope it hasn't been refuted...

The only thing you've succeeded in is allowing your idiocy to reach even greater heights...

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Ad hominem ignoring the debate. Sad.


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Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
You are being dishonest here. It had nothing to do with Speed and had everything to do with his Dad saying No so he wouldn't risk revealing himself.
He wasn't fast enough to not be seen. He was fast enough to save his dad but he was a good son and let his step dad die.


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So what?

His most recent showing demonstrates him using Super Speed while in combat...

And seeing as how characters always fight to the best of their ability in a Forum Fight, Superman blitzing the Avengers is fair game here...

The Avengers lose to the Man of Steel, and it aint even close...

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I never denied the ability but you also can't deny him being hit in the same scene. He didn't beat anyone's ass in the film with a speed blitz. Hell, he didn't even really harm Steppenwolf.

Nah. Thor plops his hammer on his chest. WW was fast enough to lass him without superspeed. laughing out loud

They take turns cumming on his face.


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I'm not so sure thats what they meant. I mean WW IS fast, fast enough to far outpace humans, even professional soldiers and make THEM look slow, and that was before her demigod power booster at the end of WW. That being said, IIRC if we crunch the numbers, she is still much slower than Superman, and even moreso Flash.

Superman in just about any media is.... well he's multi C levels of speed. I dunno if current DCEU will implement that (I'mn not sure they should, otherwise we may get Reeve levels of things like time reversal shit.) but the Flash is speedforce, which is just so far out there.... It's hard to put into words.


Let me clarify. People here mention how WW was standing still when Superman used his speed, which is a way for them to emphasize how fast Superman is. What I'm pointing out is that WW wasn't using her speed at that time. In fact, she rarely uses her speed in melee.

I was also pointing out that if we are to assume Superman performs to the best of his abilities, that means the Avengers do to. Which means Vsion remains intangible for the fight and Thor constantly surrounds himself with lightning.


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Originally posted by FrothByte
Hate to compare but QS in both MCU and Fox movies were pretty consistent. Majority of True Blood vamps were too. I mean, sure, there were times they might have acted without superspeed for the sake of plot but for the most part they were consistent.

WW (and Superman for that matter) seem to only use their superspeed half of the time.



Again with QS, Speed is his Only power, so of course that will be consistent.

You’ve got me on True Blood though, but in terms of superheroes it’s pretty normal not to us high end speeds in all/most their fights.

With Superman though, you should at least agree that he’ll use it if he needs to.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
I never denied the ability but you also can't deny him being hit in the same scene. He didn't beat anyone's ass in the film with a speed blitz. Hell, he didn't even really harm Steppenwolf.

Nah. Thor plops his hammer on his chest. WW was fast enough to lass him without superspeed. laughing out loud

They take turns cumming on his face.
You're even weirder now fam.


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If Superman defeats these Avengers It wont be due to superspeed.

Lets stop pretending Superman will do something he doesnt in normal fights!!


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Watch JL


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Watch JL


I did.


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Doesn't seem like it.


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Doesn't seem like it.


Things aren't what they seem.


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Oh I agree, I just don't want people saying Superman was moving so fast that WW looked like a statue and ignoring the fact that WW didn't use her superspeed in that fight.

This is what it boils down to. You tended to argue how Wonder Woman was faster than Superman but when it was shown otherwise you just argue that she wasn't using speed.

She was also a statue to Flash when he pushed her sword into her hand and she was trying her hardest to reach the sword.

In other words it doesn't matters what the movie shows, you'll twist the context to fit your view that Wonder Woman is still faster than Superman instead of accepting that you were wrong.


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Originally posted by FrothByte
Let me clarify. People here mention how WW was standing still when Superman used his speed, which is a way for them to emphasize how fast Superman is. What I'm pointing out is that WW wasn't using her speed at that time. In fact, she rarely uses her speed in melee.



But Superman was also standing still when Flash was running around him, but reacted. Wonder Woman on the other hand didn’t react, and remained standing still whilst Superman and Flash were going at it.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
This is what it boils down to. You tended to argue how Wonder Woman was faster than Superman but when it was shown otherwise you just argue that she wasn't using speed.

She was also a statue to Flash when he pushed her sword into her hand and she was trying her hardest to reach the sword.

In other words it doesn't matters what the movie shows, you'll twist the context to fit your view that Wonder Woman is still faster than Superman instead of accepting that you were wrong.


What nonsense. I argued WW was faster than Superman BEFORE JL came out. I was basing that on feats seen in the movies. I have since changed my stance since JL came out but you don't want to acknowledge that. Quote me on where I said WW is faster than Superman. Go ahead.


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