Yes, he matched a Superman that didn't want to fight him. If Superman was actually serious the fight would have been over before Batman had a chance to use his secret weapon.
Vision hasn't beaten anyone impressive so good luck proving that.
Superman never wants to kill. Batman had him brought back to life and didn't want to fight him. Superman did fight Batman for his mother and failed. He had the motivation and still lost despite his whore mother hanging in the balance.
Neither has Superman. You abandon logic at all turns. Batman beat Superman with his mother's fate on the line. Without that motivation he's even worse. Superman didn't even harm Steppenwolf as much as parademons.
If Superman had actually accepted Luthor's offer to kill Bruce in exchange for his mother's life he would have killed him way before Batman had a chance to use Kryptonite, like Superman pointed out. All Superman was doing was defending himself.
Superman has beaten three Kryptonians, the JL, and humiliated Steppenwolf, who was taking the rest of the League to town before Superman showed up. Your arguments are getting more and more desperate.
So you admit despite the ultimate motivation he still failed. This furthers my point he doesn't kill even when his skank mother's life hangs in the balance. This is how Superman fights in character he doesn't kill. Bruce all out owned Superman with his mother's fate tied into the outcome.
No, I am citing facts and you are ignoring the facts and pretending Superman is a ruthless killer. Even with dire circumstances Superman doesn't try to kill. We see Zod force him into killing him with innocents lives.
The Justice League weren't trying to bring him down only to reason and defend themselves. Batman beat him when he wanted to and Lois had to save the losers life. Steppenwolf wasn't hurt by Superman and was being attacked throughout the film by the League. Superman didn't defeat Steppenwolf despite this weak villain.
If we act like each and everyone in the fight would immediately act to the best of their abilities, then at the start of the bell Superman immediately speed blitzes, Thor immediately puts up a lightning offensive aura/shield, SW puts up a shield, Vision goes intangible. And all of these could be done at the speed of thought.
Superman might be fast enough to attack one of them before they put their defense up but I doubt he's fast enough to blitz all of them. So depending on who Superman attacks first, there's a good chance that one or two heavyweights will be able to put up their defense enough to give Superman a fight.
If Vision is able to turn intangible then it doesn't matter how fast Superman is, he's not going to be able to hit him. If Thor is able to put up his lightning shield which we've seen attack anyone close to him, then it might be hard for Superman to approach him regardless of how fast he is.
And the thing is, most of these guys are tough enough to survive a punch or two from Superman. He isn't knocking them out with one blow, not even IM. SW obviously gets splattered if she doesn't get her shields up. My point is even if Superman blitzes them, they'll still be able to put up defenses after the first hit or so.
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That's a big assumption to make. Thor and Vision can enact their powers with a thought. Superman can probably hit one of them but there's no proof he can hit both of them before one enacted their powers (with but a thought). Besides, even if Superman hits both of them, so what? It's not going to knock them out. They'll still be able to put up their defense after the first hit. If Superman sticks to one of them long enough to take them out completely then he'll be leaving the others free to do whatever.
If it is Vision, he can basically just stay intangible and wait for an opportunity.
If it is Thor, he can just turn on his lightning and wait till Superman touches him at which point Superman zaps himself.
It's also worth pointing out that Superman doesn't operate in superspeed all the time, otherwise Aquaman and Cyborg wouldn't have been able to put hands on him. He seems to have to almost choose to turn it on or off.
He showed what he is capable of when he uses the stone. The league were holding back and trying to talk to him. He did no real damage and was being hit left and right. WW is faster than Steppenwolf but he tagged her left and right despite the team ganging up on him. Try to be objective and quit cherry picking while ignoring the rest of the films.
If you watched the film and missed the part in which the team was trying to talk to him and hitting him multiple times then you're lying to yourself let alone me.
Batman when he wanted to prepped and defeated Superman. Superman isn't too fast for people to successfully attack him. Oh the feats only matter posters are silly.
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