So he uses superhuman speed/perception to catch a bullet after SS2 points it at him, says a quip, then waits a few seconds and fires, correct?
How is Bucky not using greater superhuman speed/perception to raise his arm and move it to block individual rifle and machine pistol rounds, as well as dodge out of the way of automatic fire? And don't call aim dodging, as we've had this roundabout before and posted evidence that proved Bucky reacted to the bullets being shot, not the shooter aiming.
I get where you're coming from, and I usually hate BS excuses like "combat speed" people use on characters like Superman too, but aim dodging isn't the same. The alternative is that a character is a flat out bullet timer, and they shouldn't be attributed that kind of credit if they aren't explicitly shown to actually dodge a bullet. There are different tiers to that kind of reaction speed. You've got aim dodging, which is the least impressive (but is still insanely impressive). Then you have bullet dodging which qualifies you as a bullet timer. The most impressive tier is flat out catching a bullet which requires the speed, precision, and perception to pull off. I'm not saying Ozy is that final tier since the bullet he caught was from an older gun and has a slower velocity than normal bullets, but it still comfortably beats out aim dodging.
The alternative is that every character who has ever evaded gunfire is a bullet timer. I definitely don't consider Black Widow or Daredevil (yet) a bullet timer, for example. Tony Stark was quick enough to catch the barrel of WS handgun and block the bullet with an armored glove, but he doesn't have any kind of super human reaction speed. An example of aim dodging is also Ozy's elevator scene, and it was shown in slow motion which makes it one of the most explicit examples of aim dodging I've ever seen.
I also don't agree with H1's "Hitting someone across the room is the red herring" assessment. Giving Ozy credit for that but not T'Challa just doesn't make sense. The amount of force required to have that kind of effect indicates an obvious level of super strength. You can't pick and choose what to and what not to attribute on the basis of fanboyism. That's Quan territory. People on this forum also have a bad habit of treating Ozy like he's nothing above peak human when he puts out hits like that, over powers a man that can break concrete with his punches, can leap 30 feat into the air and across a room, and can toss a 300lb man through plate glass "you'd have to step on the gas just to put a crack in". The guy even let Nite Owl have a flurry of free hits to his face and was only mildly annoyed, and NO is a guy who can send people soaring with his hits and break bone with a punch. Ozy is super human in strength, speed, durability, and reaction.
On that note, I can agree that Ozy isn't as strong or durable as the parties being discussed here (though he doesn't lag behind by too much), but he is faster and more skilled and he is durable enough to take a good amount of hits from an unarmored T'Challa. Just look at Ozy blocking and attacking through the simultaneous assault of both Rorschach and NO and compare it to Winter Soldier taking Tony, Sharon, and Black Widow one at a time and each of them actually putting up a fight. This fight boils down to the fact that Ozy is fast enough to avoid BPs attacks while peppering him with punches that would do damage. BP just wouldn't be able to last.
distance proves force. Damage proves force.
In Tony's example, there wasn't either. Thus the force on him was human level.
In Ozy's example, there was distance.
Breaking someone arm like No did is equivalent to breaking concrete like Bucky did. I was referring to Bucky minus the metal arm. The metal arm is obviously stronger than NO.
Because Bucky did it after the fire. Any peak human could do what he did.
Nothing impressive about it.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Are we basing their stats and abilities on visual feats or implied power / ability?
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
So visually, Ozy catching a much slower bullet, and already showing he's an aim-dodger(visually) by the bank robber...is faster than Bucky flipping around from Falcon or using his arm to individually block assault rifle rounds(as you see him moving his arm and more and more bullets ricocheting off) is slower?
Your bullshit is once again going to multiple pages because it's bullshit.
If we are using visual speed, then BP is the faster fighter.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Okay, I knew my logic wasn't off. Dodging and blocking MULTIPLE AUTOMATIC bullets that travel at least 2-3 times faster than the SINGLE revolver round Ozy caught is faster, correct?
And Ozy already aim-dodges. So how does he aim-dodge for once scene, and then in the next scene he's just faster than bullets?
Start at 1:36
He clearly sees where the gunman is pointing and pre-emptively hides behind people so he can get closer to him and take him down. If he he's fast enough to catch and dodge bullets like people say, why did he sacrifice those people as meat shields to make it a few feet?
Start by taking down an assassin you hired and killing him so he can't reveal you hired him to kill you in the first place. Also getting several innocents killed in the process.
Throughout this entire fight, Bucky blocks bullets from multiple angles, nearly point blank range, and from people he can't even see. But Ozy catching a single revolver bullet from across the room is better. Bullshit.
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