The Ellimist
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Contemplating killing Kylo = I can get that, he is human and it was just a flash.
Running away afterwards = the antithesis of his entire character and just breaks suspension of disbelief.
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Dec 20th, 2017 05:35 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by The Ellimist
Contemplating killing Kylo = I can get that, he is human and it was just a flash.
Running away afterwards = the antithesis of his entire character and just breaks suspension of disbelief.
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Dec 20th, 2017 09:54 AM
Petrus
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EU Luke >>> Canon Luke.
EU Luke went through some very difficult shit, as well, but instead of going to hide in the most remote place in the galaxy for years, allowing himself to be swallowed by guilt, remorse and sadness, he actually overcame the difficulties he faced and became the Master he should have.
In Canon, the first time he's faced with true adversity and he's gone, runs away. Seriously, that is absolute shit from someone who was supposed to be one of the greatest and most powerful heroes of the Republic and the Jedi. Honestly, Canon Luke is a major disappointment imho.
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Dec 20th, 2017 12:23 PM
Beniboybling
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Did people miss the part where Kylo attacked Luke and murdered all his students?
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Dec 20th, 2017 01:13 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by The Ellimist
Contemplating killing Kylo = I can get that, he is human and it was just a flash.
Running away afterwards = the antithesis of his entire character and just breaks suspension of disbelief.
Yeah I was actually more satisfied with the version of events where he legitimately did try to kill Kylo, because the guilt over that would have made more sense for him to disappear.
But in the actual version of events, I still don't get why he was hiding.
Dec 20th, 2017 01:15 PM
MythLord
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It's not like Luke in the EU ever hid because of his fears and guilt... Oh wait.
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Dec 20th, 2017 01:22 PM
The Ellimist
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Then one wonders whether his resolve for the Jedi to end had any actual philosophical basis or was a pure rationalization - and a dumb one at that.
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Dec 20th, 2017 01:22 PM
Beniboybling
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More like a pre-conceived notion of what it meant to be one, without any significant experience to temper it. Like Yoda said failure is the greatest teacher.
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Dec 20th, 2017 01:34 PM
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Completely disappointing, the new trilogy is.
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Dec 20th, 2017 03:15 PM
FreshestSlice
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by ares834
Fair enough. But Luke constantly flirts with the dark side throughout the EU. Personally, I have no problem with the Kylo sequence and felt it made sense. It's really no worse then what he did from time-to-time in the books.
The issue is Luke bitching out afterwards. And worse than all of that is the fact that he likely won't be the one to recreate the Jedi Order.
Sometimes, I get mad too. Not once have I loaded a gun and put it close to anyone I've known, let alone a family member's head, just because I thought they might be evil, or hell, showed some bad tendencies. It's stupid all around. It's a lot worse than anything I've seen anyone in the EU or the rest of Canon do short of genocide.
Dec 20th, 2017 06:09 PM
Ursumeles
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by JKBart
After so much time reading throughout the Legends, with truly so many, 3/10, extremely poor works, I have really learned to appreciate the EU Luke. Despite all these inconsistencies, so many books I would rather forget about, all the writers, overall, really managed to capture the spirit of OT Luke well. They developed him towards his sixties really legitimately, never going off the core of his character, never undermining the Original Trilogy, but going into an interesting direction nonetheless. EU Luke remained the good-hearted farmboy trying to find a glimpse of light in everybody. He remained the RotJ Luke fearing the Dark Side into his final days. He remained somebody whose heart is that truly of a real Jedi, and remained somebody who was, let's face it, taking a piss on so many lessons of his predecessors, and so many of their mistakes as well.
He wasn't perfect, at all. He was this guy who just tries to be perfect, to do the wisest stuff possible, the calmest approach doable. But he was still someone who fallen into the damaged Unifying Force-Potentium combo, which gave a nice struggle in the Dark Nest. He killed Lumiya in an act of revenge, and all of that.
What I truly like about Luke in EU is that he really is that shining star, that guy who most people will consider boring and dull iconic Jedi, that still fails, that still gives into fear or grief or rush, that's still human. Somebody that's super-hyper-extremely moral (to the point of being a boring fuggot maybe), but still a human being, without the writers just suddenly giving him a bad day. Nope, he's still on top of that moral mountain and writers just give him challenges great enough that he can have his downs while remaining on the top of this moral mountain nonetheless.
What really makes me appreciate the writing is that there are so many instances where he's just this most powerful Jedi, the absolute badass, the absolute power in the universe, but he's still not overpowered in terms of writing. He shits on nearly everybody, but stories involving him concern events so wide and complicated, he still can't just power his way through the obstacles. He gets involved in galactical conflicts where he can't just power his way through planetary defenses or be at two places at once. In NJO they really learned to make him all-powerful without making a story boring. In essence, they just keep pressuring the point that he's still just a one person. He can have the power of the black hole, but that black hole still can't fight an entire war or repair corrupt government.
I really take all of that over Canon... but how can that be a surprise?
In essence, Legends Luke kept being a main character. In Canon, he gets disposed of to get the story into Rey-Finn-Kylo hands. There's no denying this huge difference in approach. I won't debate how they handled Luke in TFA and TLJ, but the approach is obvious. You can't have a forced-out-of-the-screen Luke match the main-character one.
Yeah, this.
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Dec 20th, 2017 10:09 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Canon Luke, easily.
Any specific reason?
Dec 20th, 2017 10:14 PM
Petrus
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Do people forget that Leia was aware all the time of the atrocities his son committed and how incredibly hard it must've been for her, as well? Losing her son to the dark side, his husband to his son, and his brother because he decided to disappear and leave the galaxy and loved ones on their own? Yet I saw her fighting all the time. I did not see her cower or hide in sadness or fear. She was a better Luke than Luke ever was. So yeah, sorry, but there's no valid excuses for Luke doing what he did and become who he became.
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Dec 21st, 2017 01:56 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
Any specific reason?
Apparently he thinks Luke had no developement in the EU and was boring.
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Dec 21st, 2017 03:16 AM
FreshestSlice
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Petrus
Do people forget that Leia was aware all the time of the atrocities his son committed and how incredibly hard it must've been for her, as well? Losing her son to the dark side, his husband to his son, and his brother because he decided to disappear and leave the galaxy and loved ones on their own? Yet I saw her fighting all the time. I did not see her cower or hide in sadness or fear. She was a better Luke than Luke ever was. So yeah, sorry, but there's no valid excuses for Luke doing what he did and become who he became.
Well Leia, I assume you mean Leia even though you keep using his, is a woman. Luke is a man. We can hardly expect him to do what's right.
Dec 21st, 2017 04:01 AM
Geistalt
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Everyone prefers Legends. The fact that Canon Luke's depression was designed to hand the Wide-Eyed Idealist Knight in Shining Armor legacy off to Rey and Finn doesn't make him an equally good character.
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Dec 21st, 2017 04:05 AM
Ursumeles
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Petrus
Do people forget that Leia was aware all the time of the atrocities his son committed and how incredibly hard it must've been for her, as well? Losing her son to the dark side, his husband to his son, and his brother because he decided to disappear and leave the galaxy and loved ones on their own? Yet I saw her fighting all the time. I did not see her cower or hide in sadness or fear. She was a better Luke than Luke ever was. So yeah, sorry, but there's no valid excuses for Luke doing what he did and become who he became.
Canon Leia is great.
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Dec 21st, 2017 08:48 AM
Petrus
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Well Leia, I assume you mean Leia even though you keep using his, is a woman. Luke is a man. We can hardly expect him to do what's right.
Lol yeah, I typed that up real fast on my phone. Messed up the words.
And yes, Urs. Canon Leia is fantastic. Better than Canon Luke.
My point is, using that as an excuse for Luke’s behaviour is bullshit. ‘Oh he faced tough shit’. Well **** that, so did Leia and look at her uwavering commitment to the Resistance and to making the galaxy a better place no matter what.
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Dec 21st, 2017 01:29 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Petrus
Lol yeah, I typed that up real fast on my phone. Messed up the words.
And yes, Urs. Canon Leia is fantastic. Better than Canon Luke.
My point is, using that as an excuse for Luke’s behaviour is bullshit. ‘Oh he faced tough shit’. Well **** that, so did Leia and look at her uwavering commitment to the Resistance and to making the galaxy a better place no matter what.
All people don't have the same reactions to the same kinds of experiences. You're upset over Luke but Leia also didn't come into Ben's place of sleep to possibly kill him. Luke's shame over that incident is exclusive to him not Leia. Your feelings don't matter really. What's canon is canon just accept it. This isn't some minor book the directors aren't familiar with. It's a film which is the ultimate canon.
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Dec 21st, 2017 03:23 PM
JKBart
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i dont see anybody saying it isnt canon lol
people just dont like it kek
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