Or being a dumb***...probably both...both. Hell that one random Imperial captain in ESB when his ISD was about to crash right into another was better at making quick calls than Hux who by comparison had all the time in the world.
Question: Why is Snoke beneath Vader if Rey and Kylo are above Ahsoka and Maul? In the context of canon, I don't think there's a chance in hell ROTJ Vader would treat Maul or Ahsoka in the way Snoke treated Rey. Unless you're gonna argue Rey's power level is inconsistent/unreliable.
I still don’t know where to place TLJ Luke, so I’ll leave him out for now. Same goes for Bendu because I didn’t watch the episodes where he appears. So, hoping I i’m not forgetting anyone:
1)Darth Sidious
2) Yoda
3) Talzin (Dathomir amp)
4) Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader
5) Mace Windu
6) Darth Tyranus
7) Quinlan Vos
8) Obi Wan Kenobi
9) Darth Maul
10) Ahsoka Tano
11) Assajj Ventress
12) Savage Oppress
Etc
Tbh I still view Rey/Kylo and the Inquisitors below councilors such as Plo Koon, Fisto etc
1. That's pretty much prime Luke in canon.
2. That was a sabers only contest, at no point (even off screen or in Legends) does Luke contend with Vader's force prowess. For example, TCW Kenobi can match and indeed defeat Maul in raw sabers but is inferior force wise.
That being said, this does not preclude Luke or Snoke for that matter from being added to the list once the canon embellishes their feats a bit.
I do sort of expect future canon material to end the "Luke is weak" claims, but I could be wrong.
Rey's power level is pretty inconsistent, likely as a result of having such a high lantent power : training ratio. I mean she defeats Kylo Ren in a duel but then when she's practicing in TLJ awkwardly swings her lightsaber around and looks like she might hurt herself.
I'm also not sure if Rey really understands how to defend herself in the Force, though given she learns everything else magically I guess she may know that too.
But you do make a good point - not sure if we should move Snoke up or Rey/Kylo down. It's sort of implied that Vader > Snoke but hey, maybe Snoke admires Vader despite being stronger than him. Kylo might be weaker than Maul or Ahsoka but it seems contrary to his potential + training.
It really depends on what metric you're using. If the metric is "who would win in a fight" or "who has greater mastery of the Force?", there's a reason Yoda thought Obi Wan could go kill Vader but would never stand a chance against Palpatine. But Anakin likely has more Force power than Sidious.
Uh, unless if Disney comes out to retcon Luke's Force potential (unlikely as they ran with the Skywalker-uber-potential line with Kylo), I don't see how he hasn't surpassed these two by TLJ or whenever he was in his prime. A scarcity of feats doesn't mean we conclude weakness, it means we fall back on other sources like the aforementioned.
The Visual Dictionary says that Snoke thinks only a Skywalker can kill Luke, which not only implies Luke > Snoke but also that Luke has reached enough of his potential that the likes of Yoda likely can't beat him.
How is Windu > Vader in canon?
Huh?
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Based on Mark's statement? Because I see no reason to think that actor statements are canon, and if they are we might as well use George Lucas's words that more or less state that Luke > Yoda/Sidious (he doesn't own Star Wars anymore...but neither does Mark).
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Eh I mean Mark's statement is part of it, but more along the lines of we don't really have many feats for Luke at this point, and his greatest ones are certainly as of ROTJ.
Dec 21st, 2017 04:50 PM
