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Explaining Knightfall Vader's Power
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Jaggarath
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Midichlorians are microscopic organisms in your bloodstream that are gateways between yourself and the Force. The more midichlorians you have, the more Force energy is going to be channeling through you. Anakin has more midichlorians than any character in Star Wars, thereby making him the most potentially powerful character in Star Wars.


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Lord Stark
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"The idea of Vader using telekinetic powers during his fight with Luke was created during story meetings. There was concern, however, that the audience might think back to the first film and wonder why Vader didn't use all his powers on Ben; but this was easily explained by the fact that Ben was probably stronger than Vader. George Lucas and Leigh Brackett also discussed the different levels of the Force; maybe Ben was a six, Vader was a four, Luke is now at level two."

Ben Kenobi completely outclasses Vader in force powers according to this one. Nah I think Anakin is on the same level as Sidious and Yoda, but ultimately weaker. The 8 tier system seems to have been the prototype.


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Also Palpatine called KF Vader the strongest Sith ever barring himself


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Geistalt
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Labyrinth of Evil Anakin is as strong in the Force as Yoda (though not as skilled). Neat.

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Also Palpatine called KF Vader the strongest Sith ever barring himself
When?


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AncientPower
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The eight tier system was stated in 2011.


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Lord Stark
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The eight tier system was stated in 2011.


But the 9 tier system was stated in the Making of ROTS content. It's clearly the one they used to shape the film. If anything it sounds like Gillard misspoke.


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Also Palpatine called KF Vader the strongest Sith ever barring himself


he never barred himself, actually. thumb down


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Jaggarath
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Here's a new quote from 2017 Sideshow Exclusive that further backs the idea of Anakin's growth in the Outer Rim Sieges:


"Amphitheaters of battle on a hundred different worlds have been the classes of Anakin's schooling and tested his character like no training the ancient Jedi could have devised."


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AncientPower
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Fantastic stuff.


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Huh, all you need to do is kill droids in the Outer Rim and you can increase your ability tenfold.


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Freedon Nadd
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Originally posted by Geistalt
Well, Lucas' and Luceno's.


Where is Luceno's?


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First of all, you destroy your own argument by reminding us that Lucas' intent was for him to be as powerful in the Force as Yoda, and then Sidious.


I never said that. Where did I say it? I said that Lucas intended Anakin to be the most powerful Jedi due to his Chosen status and his destiny to end the Sith, nothing about his own Force strength. This can be proved when he has that Force-push contest with Obi-Wan on Mustafar. Neither managed to Force-push the other. I think people take out of context Lucas' 'statement' about Anakin, or Lucas' statement doesn't apply in the Expanded Universe.


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Midichlorians are microscopic organisms in your bloodstream that are gateways between yourself and the Force. The more midichlorians you have, the more Force energy is going to be channeling through you. Anakin has more midichlorians than any character in Star Wars, thereby making him the most potentially powerful character in Star Wars.


1. I know what midi-chlorians are.
2. You have no proof that more-midi-chlorians=more Force power. Plagueis even discovered animals(IIRC) stronger in the Force with a lower midi-chlorian count.
If that's true with the midi-chlorians; then Nihilus wouldn't be able to use the Force. In fact if this were true; then if you absorbed a high quantity of Force energy; and you have a bad midi-chlorian count; I think you'd blow yourself off.
3. Anakin has the highest count in the movies; not in the EU. And that's only the perception of the Jedi. If midi-chlorians=Force strength. Then Exar Kun or TOR Force-users who had greater feats than him; it means their count is higher.


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Uh. The novel makes it quite clear that Anakin was extremely unstable and not fighting at his best on Mustafar. That's why they were equal.


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Uh. The novel makes it quite clear that Anakin was extremely unstable and not fighting at his best on Mustafar. That's why they were equal.


I think that if I had a huge fist; it didn't matter that I was angry or calm. I'd still manage to kick someone's ass.


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I don't care what you think is canon, I care about what's actually canon, and the Canon makes it quite clear that Anakin wasn't fighting at his best, period.


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Freedon Nadd
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"Wasn't fighting at his best(..)" does not destroy my statement. You either accept that higher midi-chlorian count doesn't mean more Force strength or TOR famous Jedi/Sith had a greater midi-chlorian count than Anakin.


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More midi-chlorians does mean more force strength, but training and discipline plus a deeper understanding of the force will allow someone with a lower mid-chlorians count to use the force more effectively. It's like having gear. If you have the best gear, you're better prepared to do something. But if you don't know what you're doing, then no matter what gear you have, you won't be able to perform well. Someone who's practiced enough and mastered an art can do incredible things without good gear. But if they HAD that gear, it would help. Anakin was born with the highest midi-chlorians count (The best gear), AND was the Chosen One (He could even replace the Father himself), but without discipline, control, and understanding, he wasn't capable of feats like the ones performed by better force users.


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And yet, we have quotes from the ANH and ROTJ novels, among other sources, confirming that he was more powerful by ANH than he ever was before.

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The conception of the meassure of midi-chlorians as proof of your Force-strength was only something that the PT-OT Jedi followed. If you accept the midi-chlorian concept, then you have to embrace the idea that users with higher midi-chlorian count than Anakin existed before he was born.


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How does that even work?

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More midi-chlorians does mean more force strength, but training and discipline plus a deeper understanding of the force will allow someone with a lower mid-chlorians count to use the force more effectively. It's like having gear. If you have the best gear, you're better prepared to do something. But if you don't know what you're doing, then no matter what gear you have, you won't be able to perform well. Someone who's practiced enough and mastered an art can do incredible things without good gear. But if they HAD that gear, it would help. Anakin was born with the highest midi-chlorians count (The best gear), AND was the Chosen One (He could even replace the Father himself), but without discipline, control, and understanding, he wasn't capable of feats like the ones performed by better force users.


More wisdom, discipline, and mastery won't increase the size of your hammer(Force-strength).

And given that the Father and his children are able to foresee the future. It doesn't take much to understand that it was a fabrication of the Father because it had to happen. He already saw the future and knew that Anakin is the Chosen One because he destroys the Sith. Also, Anakin could only keep the children using the aid of the Mortis' nexus.


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