Huh, it looks like that quote is actually from something else. They just used the exact same wording for some reason. The point is the same though, the actual quote from Heir to the Empire is just as singularly focused on the Battle of Endor as the one from the Return of the Jedi novel.
That's the timeframe of his corruption of the planet. Its utterly unknown how long it took him or how he achieved it. It cannot be said to have fast or slow, its completely unusable.
I can't think of a similar case for him. He dominated his father in a direct confrontation. He dominated Revan and Malak similarly with "a fraction of the Emperor's loathsome power". He was a mere spirit in hiding on Ziost so he was weakened and alone. Etc.
Speculations about time and circumstance can be levelled at Vitiate to just as much effect. In fact, probably moreso.
With respect to demonstrable showings in the heat of the moment, I think Palpatine eclipses Vitiate considerably. And in the realm of these grander, more ambiguous showings, the gap gets even bigger, lol.
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"Yes, Captain, you were there," Thrawn said, his voice abruptly hard. "And it's time you gave up your blindfold and faced the truth, no matter how bitter you find it. You had no real fighting spirit of your own anymore—none of you in the Imperial Fleet did. It was the Emperor's will that drove you; the Emperor's mind that provided you with strength and resolve and efficiency. You were as dependent on that presence as if you were all borg-implanted into a combat Computer."
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C'baoth snorted. "So is this what you want me for, Grand Admiral Thrawn?" he asked scornfully. "To turn your ships into puppets for you?"
"Not at all, Master C'baoth," Thrawn told him, his voice perfectly calm again. "My analogy with combat borg implants was a carefully considered one. The Emperor's fatal error was in seeking to control the entire Imperial Fleet personally, as completely and constantly as possible. That, over the long run, is what did the damage. My wish is merely to have you enhance the coordination between ships and task forces - and then only at critical times and in carefully selected combat situations."
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And I'm beginning to question if your IQ really is 140.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: No offense, I'm just obligated to defend His Imperial Majesty and shit on idiots so you agreeing with Nephtard is shaking my faith in you considerably. Nothing personal
Amusing, but as I said Thrawn was simply wrong. Declann was the one using Battle Meditation in that battlem not Sheev. And in any case Thrawn is still only talking about the specific fleet at Endor. Hence why he starts out by saying "Yes, Captain, you were there,"
I thought I was too, but it appears I was mistaken. Thank you Azronger for this revelation:
"Slowly but steadily, he used his dark Force powers to enslave the people on the world and drain their life energies to fuel his own vile experiments."
--Byss and the Deep Core
Dramath went to find Vitiate, not the other way around. If anyone would have prep it'd be him. And baring that in mind I doubt he had aid. Its directly stated that "When they met face-to-face, Tenebrae proved the stronger. Only ten years old, he stripped his father of his power and his mind."
Which he did by mind****ing them, yes: "“We underestimated his power. When we confronted him, he didn’t even have to fight us. Instead, he broke our wills. He dominated our minds, turning us into puppets to do his bidding."
And he was a highly weakened spirit. That was the whole point. Obviously his power after draining the planet would be far greater than it was on it.
I'm sure you know that Revan and Malak were described as bordering on the dark side and that this made it easier for Vitiate who had prep and a nexus to break them.
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It's also stated Vitiate can't even bind non-Force sensitives to his will while on a nexus during the events of the novel, and requires a ritual for it. He definitely had prep for Revan and Malak:
“The last time you were here?” Scourge said, pouncing on the phrase. “Have some of your memories returned?”Â_
“Seeing my old mask triggered something.Â_I remember everything now,” Revan admitted. “Malak and I learned the Sith still survived. We came here to Dromund Kaas to investigate. Posing as mercenaries, we spent months learning everything we could about the Emperor and his people. Even back then he was already planning his invasion of the Republic. When Malak and I learned of his preparations, we tried to stop him. We found a member of the Imperial Guard who was willing to sneak us inside the citadel.”Â_
“Impossible,” Scourge declared. “The Guard are bound to the Emperor’s will at the end of their trainingÂ_by a powerful ritual.Â_They would never betray him!”Â_
“True, but we didn’t know that at the time,” Revan explained. “We were being led into a trap; the Emperor wanted us to come to him. When we got to his throne room, he was ready and waiting.” His voice dropped low. “We underestimated his power.Â_When we confronted him, he didn’t even have to fight us. Instead, he broke our wills. He dominated our minds, turning us into puppets to do his bidding. He sent us back to the Republic as the vanguard of his invasion, with instructions to report back when all resistance was crushed.
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