Using prep would contradict the fact that he only needed a fraction of his power to do it. The reason to use prep is if you require more power than you're capable of pulling out at an instant. Which is contradictory. Likewise with a nexus. Revan and Malak were both proven capable of drawing on darkside nexuses in any case.
The Imperial Guard are a special case, like the Hands. They're bound to his will in such a way that they can draw upon his power when near him. Clearly that requires a specialised ritual instead of a standard mindfvck.
I still don't see "decades." Is there more to the quote? I think you may have forgot to quote the rest.
Well I doubt Sidious had aid, too, but obviously personal incredulity doesn't mean much. Force users can sense each other over long distances and Vitiate is theoretically smart enough to deduce his father, the planet's king, would seek him out. Either way, though, that quote doesn't prove that Vitiate did not use prep or aid to enslave Dramath's mind.
The quote you cited doesn't mention him turning them to the dark side. All we know is that it took a mere fraction of his powers to complete their fall to the dark side. The preceding sentence in the encyclopedia confirms they were already teetering on the brink anyway. And as Revan himself discusses in the novel, it was a trap on a potent dark side nexus.
We also know that rituals were needed to bind the non-Force sensitive guards to him...
That's the point, indeed: he still had an enormously potent nexus on which to draw for his efforts.
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Anyway I still don't see a strong refutation of Palpatine's galaxy-wide TP except for attempts to splice together different novel contexts to argue that the sourcebooks were only talking about Endor even when they specifically mention it in the context of the whole Empire.
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Vitiate could suppress the power of Vaylin, control the minds of his personal powerbase, control the minds of his Force-sensitive Children including Exal Kressh, dominate the First Son Syo Bakarn and gift him enough power to shroud all of his children amongst the Jedi Order, stalemate Sel-Makor in the Dark Heart for control of his Voss, dominate the minds of Leeha Narezz, Warren Sedoru, Tol Braga, and the Hero of Tython. He was also stated by Meetra's spirit to be close to overpowering Revan's mind when he was freed. All whilst he was getting ready to power his Dark Ritual to consume the galaxy.
Valkorion is massively more powerful than Vitiate. No contest whatsoever.
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"The Emperor was. . . powerful. He alone was worthy. But now he is silent. None can control us."
Seems the Emperor was controlling the Dread Masters after release on Belsavis. But they went rogue when he died. He's the greatest telepath ever then, no argument.
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Kbro can't read again. Plagueis used MM to announce his presence to all living things, not TP.
Vitiate simultaneously suppressing Vaylin, dominating Syo Bakarn, being capable of eventually dominating Revan as per Surik, controlling the Dread Masters, influencing all of his Children, dominating Tol Braga, Hero of Tython, Leeha and Warren Sedoru, all whilst fueling thousands of beings with his power and still maintaining this control while fighting Sel-Makor in the Dark Heart, and then having enough remaining power to enact the Dark Ritual. Is vastly more impressive.
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Wait, are you trying to imply that Plagues affected the mediclhorians of every being in the galaxy?
Aight then.
Via, AP's interpretation, Plagueis used mediclhorian manipulation on very being in the galaxy which blows anything Valk has ever done out of the water.
However, intellectual honesty, which AP seems to lack, compels me to be a tad more logical.
I've never seen MM used to "inform" people. I have seen TP be used to inform people. I have also never seen MM "infiltrate a dream." I have seen TP used for that.
As the intended impact was mental rather than physical, I find it far more likely Plagueis's feat was one of TP rather than MM, though I'd much prefer for it to be the latter.
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Him using it to call out through the Force isn't the same as him manipulating the midichlorians themselves, lmfao.
I like how you start quoting after his musings. It isn't TP, it's him calling out through the Force. It was literally just him shouting through the Force.
It's likely affecting the Force with his presence through some kind of feat.
Regardless, what Tenebrae can do prior to massive power growth shits on any of Plagueis' actual feats.
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If he's using MM, then he's calling out through the force by manipulating the force's mediclhorians on a galactic scale which again
Telepathically can be, and has been, described as calling out through the force.
Not sure where you're getting the MM bit from. Quote?
No incarnation of Valk has a TP feat on the scale of what Plagueis did. And Valk has no feats at the level of the MM feat you claim Plagy pulled off.
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You realise massively pre-prime Exar Kun has screamed twice through the Force, causing ripples, and every Jedi in the galaxy felt it?
Now it's not every living being in the galaxy perse, but it's every single one of those tens of thousands of Jedi. Kun's power effectively multiplies from this and yet he's sub-SWTOR Vitiate.
You're claiming Valkorion can't when he's never tried. Furthermore, we're talking about a telepathic war between powerhouses here.
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