__________________ RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."
Well, he also reacted when the dude was taken out. I don't really think being driven back proves you're vastly inferior. And more importantly, whatever you make of the fight, we have Lucas's word, Gillard's tier system, and multiple quotes calling Mace = or >Yoda which again all suggest Mace isn't outclassed when dealing when the Yoda, Anakin's, and Sidious's.
I don't really see why this would be the case for Plagueis who's likely a great deal below TPM Sids.
Additionally Mace is a more impressive saber combatant anad has an ability in vapaad that can neutralize hax.
Overall, Mace seems like a clear superior to me.
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So once again, the Sheev brigade is reduced to using the same four ambiguous feats when Valkorion has a whole list of sh!t that can be favorably compared to Plagueis.
Him two-shotting Lana Beniko, who stalemated Senya, who was matching the Force augmented rage of Vaylin with sheer defensive skill, is probably just as good as anything Plagueis did in a duel to a pure hype character in Venamis. Tbh.
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Plagueis lighting a landscape on fire, and his fotress+ tk trumps anything Valk has outside of ziost which itself isn't really more impressive than Plagueis reaching out to every being in the galaxy
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Lmfao.
Valkorion simultaneously death waved hundreds of Zakuul Knights without hurting the Alliance crew inbetween them. He was immensely less powerful in this form due to having an inferior host and existing as a spirit.
Fortress TK? Seriously? Numerous TOR characters who are fodder to Vitiate have destroyed Kaas City Blocks as children, two fodder Dark Councillors destroyed the previous Dark Citadel, Jadus held together a Harrower-class Dreadnought as it was destroyed. Vitiate himself when he was dying and had a fraction of his power destroyed the Dark Temple which was massive.
Vitiate consumed Ziost as a spirit and then became 'vastly' more powerful. So that's a far easier feat for Valkorion.
Plagueis failed, if you're going to use excuses for that, I'll use the same logic for as to why Vitiate failed to consume the galaxy via a Ritual. After which he's implied to be capable of replicating it again without a ritual as a mere spirit, before becoming much more powerful as Valkorion.
Now sit down.
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This is never said. Not once is the number of people in the Endless Swamp stated to be hundreds, nor is the Outlander ever said to be the reason why Valkorion is weaker. Considering Valkorion couldn't even take the Outlander's mind while inside of it, I'm guessing it has more to do with himself than anyone else.
I must have missed the children who were blowing up city blocks, those two Dark Councilors were in a kaggath, i.e. powerbase against powerbase, they weren't using just their own personal power, and Jadus wasn't holding apart every atom of his ship. It's an unquantifiable feat.
This is never said either. Ziost was primarily used to get Vitiate back to where he was before the HoT killed him, not make him vastly more powerful. Consequently, Vitiate has been Valkorion since at least the Great Sith War. It's not like Valkorion is miles ahead of the Vitiate we see in SWTOR.
This is also never said, but since Vitiate was able to do Sith Alchemy, on Ziost, I guess he'd also be able to perform rituals. Nothing's limiting him, and no one gives any explanation on how he'd consume the galaxy.
In short, AP was being at best absent minded and at worst disingenuous. Neither are really helpful when you're trying to convince others that your opinion on a character is valid.
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Lol.
Theron Shan says otherwise:
Valkorion says that he had to forge the Outlander into a being worthy of preserving his spirit. Hence the numerous boons of power throughout the course of the two expansions. If the Outlander accepts his power against Arcann you can see it clearly overwhelming his body in the aftermath.
Thana Vesh:
Wrong again:
Jadus' feat was keeping together the remains, despite gravity and total loss of the super structure.
Vitiate fed on the death to replenish his power:
The actual consumption of Ziost would've given him massive power. Not to mention it's confirmed he got more powerful with each incarnation. Oh and Valky himself saying that Ziost enlightened him to his new powers.
The Jedi Knight has special dialogue referring to the absence of a ritual when Marr and Shan warn about the destruction of the galaxy. Something reinforced by the mass visions of Ashara Zavros, the Wrath, the Hero of Tython and more.
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Plagueis. Midichlorian regen is quite decisive and should allow him to prevail against Valk even if he is only comparable in terms of power (and there's reason to believe he's above, too, from some of the arguments and evidence that have been presented here). Against Unu'Thul, Plagueis will have a very hard time, but I still see him coming out on top. Krayt and Nihilus don't strike me as capable of defeating Plagueis for any round out of 10, and certainly not for a majority. Mace Windu is truly formidable due to his contention with Sidious but the circumstances in the duel, although typically overblown, were at least notable. Plagueis also has numerous ways to undermine him. Although out of all those on the poll, Mace probably would come closest to beating him.
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