The biggest issue this season is the show tries so hard to make us side with Starlight and MM and I just... don't. Homelander is threatening to destroy cities, dismantle gov'ts, and conquer the Earth as a sorta god-king. He needs to be put down. I find this "moral high grounding" in the face of this apocalyptic threat to be ridiculous. Had they actually worked with Soldier Boy this episode, HL would have been defeated. Then the Boys could turn on SB and take him.
Which Leads to me next issue, the show keeps talking about how terrible and bad Soldier Boy is, but we never really see it. And the stuff it does mention is no worse then what most of the members of the Seven have done. Like in this episode, MM calls SB a racist but I don't recall see anything to indicate as such. In fact, quite the opposite considering he has a lot of respect for Bill Cosby and the Mujahideen fighters.
Finally, this entire season was just the show spinning wheels. Almost nothing was resolved and we are still at where we were at the start of the season.
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The only thing I can think of against SB in regards to racist was perhaps his throw away line of "Which one?" to MM after he told him that he killed his family. Maybe it was 'black people are rolling stones'?
Likely it wouldn't surprise me to find he said something about other races in America though.
So, why is anyone afraid of Homelander? Maeve seemed to have a little more trouble against Stormfront. And what was that random piece of metal that penetrated Homelander? "Every weapon on Earth." Really? Even a random Temp V user gives him trouble.
Will Black Noir be a clone next season? 😄
Finally, if Homelander is a marginally tougher version of SB and Homelander is far from invincible, why not dismantle SB once they incapacitated him?
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Maybe I missed something but I still don't know where the SB being a racist angle came from. Considering Noir take of SB being an indiscriminate bully towards his team the most I took away from M.M's situation is that his family just had the misfortune of having Soldier Boy cross their path. Collateral damage from Supes is known to be common in the series.
Idiot Deep and Irredeemable A-Train we're fun for a bit but didn't go anywhere.
I do find it funny how things are sort of worse than before now as a result of the moral high road Starlight and M. M are on. Homelander now know that the public will love him regardless of his unhinged behavior and he even has Ryan back.
So, let me get this straight. SoldierBoy accidentally kills a few civilians he's suddenly a mass murderer who can't be trusted. He wants revenge on the people who betrayed, and tried to kill him so he's a psychopath.
Meanwhile, M.M. is completely okay person, who wants to kill SB because he killed his father... Or Homelander needs to die because he's okay with killing people to get what he wants. BUT using SB to kill Homelander is somehow wrong, because others might get hurt...in Vought.. the people who cover up countless murders by supers all the time, who show even less remorse than SB did over him exploding when he first got back to America.
I get M.M.'s point of view. Because it would be like Butcher working with Homelander. But I can't get behind Starlight being able to work with Maeve but not SoldierBoy.
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This finale just reinforced this same point for me. TBH I've felt like this since season 2. There is no real plan. Everyone raving about how the show improves on the story from the comic is completely wrong (not that the comic was really amazing on this front either, but it's leagues beyond the show).
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pretty good season finale.. starlight had some power finally. Soldier Boy, well glad he done. I suspect Homelander's kid will be pat of the boys spin off show.
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No, no. I remember reading in the show notes. SB was quite casually against civil rights for blacks. Reference his actual appearances as told by The Legend when he revealed the truth to Hughie.
Rightist are crying over the show cos they've just recently realized Homelander is a bit of a parody of Trump, zero scruples, super-massive ego, has power, but completely insecure and whines like a little b*tch.
Yeah, I saw an article about that a while back. It makes the show just that much sweeter. It's crazy because you could tell he was the "bad guy" a long time ago. Like the plane going down, which became an important plot element. And he's obviously a parody of American patriotism just looking at his costume. So I feel like you had to be damn near brain dead not to see it coming.
Also reminder that Butcher had no issues with blowing up Madelyn's kid in season 1.
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It's made even worse by the fact that as Starlight and friends are pearl clutching over Vought workers getting killed in the crossfight, Kimiko is actively slaughtering Vought security guards four floors down at the exact same time, with pop music in the background.
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Yeah, and Butcher even told Maeve in an earlier episode that "all" supes had to go. Butcher is a hypocrite. He is more than happy to kill anyone who doesn't matter to him, personally, even if they don't deserve it (like trying to murder Starlight with a high-powered rifle in an earlier season) but will lie to and backstab his own allies when someone he actually does care about is in trouble.
And chances are that the blast wouldn't even have killed Ryan, seeing as both Maeve and Kimiko survived and only lost their powers. It was only the weaker supes who were outright killed by it, while Ryan is a 3rd generation supe from Soldier Boy and Homelander's lineage.
Overall, I liked S3, but the finale really was a bit of a mess.
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I thought the whole thing with Butcher not wanting Ryan in the way was due to his wife Becca.
Which reminds me...I know why Hughie couldn't do it but I fell like his temp V teleport powers would've been more useful than whatever it was that Starlight did.
Considering he's be strong enough to get Ryan out the building once he turned up letting Butcher, Maeve and SB blow up Homelander...or depower him at least.
That's what makes me think that the show won't age well if you try to go back and watch it again from the beginning. Butcher being a bit inconsistent.
And yeah, I thought Maeve was going to be toast after her fall and explosion with Soldier Boy. Dead for sure. That was odd.
Same. The rest of the season was killer.
Yeah, that's what the writers came up with. Something about him making a promise to her, but it's kind of dumb. If he was as serious about taking out Homelander as he has typically been, he shouldn't have cared about the kid. I don't think he was even that close to the kid, was he? Besides, the kid is basically Homelander's Mini-Me, so he needs to go too.
Basically it seems there could have been a way to keep Homelander from being killed without ruining Butcher's character. That really was disappointing.
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