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Sifer
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Errm it is NOT Zion getting destroyed. If you would watch the trailer properly you would see Neo put his hand up, then it shows the bombs, one of them fries and explodes, the rest follow in its wake. How the **** can it be Zion when it is on the surface.
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Sep 25th, 2003 08:45 AM |
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Richard FilmFre
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Hey Sifer
Here's another one:
AND HOW CAN SMITH COME INTO THE REAL WORLD????????
But you're wrong! in the trailer, see Neo rises his hand, but that for a whole other scene!!! he's blinded you see? he DOES know how to defeat the machines, and he raises his hand trying to stop the machines from intruding Zion, but he fails. Because of Smith! Than he tries to escape, feels he got his power back, says he wants to go back and than the Zion exploding hapens!! And trailers were ment to distract you btw! an example: you see neo and smith fight in the rain, and between that scene you see the fight later on in the film in the subwaystation.
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Sep 25th, 2003 09:20 AM |
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Altharos
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Remember guys, if you see a scene cut, then it's more likely that it comes from a different part of the movie. The only scenes you can be sure are from the same part are the ones where the camera stays constant.
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Sep 25th, 2003 10:02 AM |
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Richard FilmFre
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Perfectly spoken ALTHAROS, that's exactly what i ment
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Sep 25th, 2003 10:33 AM |
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Richard FilmFre
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and BTW my name is Richard FilmFreak 2003!!!
something went wrong during the registration i guess
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Sep 25th, 2003 10:34 AM |
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Richard FilmFre
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and oooooh. i read the name of this forum just for the first time a minute ago! "NEO IS HE A PROGRAM"???
I guess you thought that by listening to 'the architect' at the end of RELOADED, didn't you? ONE THING I WANNA CLEAR UP HERE: The architect is the one who is the bad guy! neo isn't a program, he is the one who Morpheus thought, could stop the machines.
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Sep 25th, 2003 10:46 AM |
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HyperDream
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why couldnt the machines have placed a controllable variable in the matrix? that would make it alot easier to reinsert the binary code. machines understand probability, and that would explain why the other 'ones' have reinserted succesfuly....
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Sep 25th, 2003 02:26 PM |
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joeboy
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I think neo was that variable. but he has been currupted by smith.
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Sep 25th, 2003 02:33 PM |
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Richard FilmFre
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im sorry again, but because of my bad english, i dont understand that one either:
why couldnt the machines have placed a controllable variable in the matrix? that would make it alot easier to reinsert the binary code. machines understand probability, and that would explain why the other 'ones' have reinserted succesfuly....
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Sep 25th, 2003 02:33 PM |
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HyperDream
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that means that through probability they (the machines) are able to test their knowledge of the human phsyce, by adding one of their own into the matrix to do the job for them , or, neo is the first machine that the machines have entered into the matrix.
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Sep 25th, 2003 02:37 PM |
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Richard FilmFre
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We will see in Revolutions what Neo got to do with The Matrix.
Simple saying, he is the ONE (NEO), nothing more, nothing less.
His job in the matrix is to defeat the virus Smith, in REVOLUTIONS we WILL see what his relation is to the SENTINALS.
Also what Morpheus' secret is!!!
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Sep 25th, 2003 03:03 PM |
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joeboy
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i don't see that. If he is human, how can he have a purpose? Then you said they alled died. and he is dreaming. Just sound lame.
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Sep 25th, 2003 03:40 PM |
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JediHDM
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All humans have purpose, just like all machines have purpose...
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Sep 25th, 2003 03:49 PM |
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JediHDM
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"We're all here to do, what we're all here to do"
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Sep 25th, 2003 03:49 PM |
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joeboy
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so you saying that the oricle -which is a program - predicted that a human will have super powers as the first human did that created zion.
Now if neo was a program and had been thru the loop before, it would make more since. Cause she would have seeen the loop. Over and over.
so would have the keymaker.
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Sep 25th, 2003 04:13 PM |
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JediHDM
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No, i'm saying that the oracle reads the code and tells them PART of the future, but not ALL...Its like, when Neo has his dreams...He sees what going to happen, but he cannot understand WHY, so he doesn't know beyond that point...The oracle, in the same way, sees whats going to happen, whether or not she knows all of the future...Remember, the Matrix is just a program, and thus, it is logical that there would be a program that figures out what happens next based on the conditional statements inherent in the matrix...
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Sep 25th, 2003 04:37 PM |
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Richard FilmFre
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First. Neo dreams all of it ofcourse... When he dies in the end, he wakes up out of a terrible nightmare, where he was a superhero (the one) who couldn't save the world he like most: The Virtual/Computer world.
About the oracle: the oracle you must see as the Operating System of a computer, she can read the code, and sees what the future will bring, the architect in opposite of that, can change all of that, so he can written down the future the oracle sees. Neo has to protect the oracle from being destroyed, or else, the whole matrix will be ruled by the architect (who sends smith out to destroy Neo). You say: what has Neo in this to do with it? He has got to do all of it. he has to protect the matrix of being destroyed by smith, he fails, because smith can copy himself to a ''real person" in the real world and destroy the matrix from out the real world. the matrix was created for the ONE to find a solution to STOP all the machines. although..... Morpheus told everyone that that's the reason, but Morpheus himself got to do all with it, and i'm not saying what!!!
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Sep 25th, 2003 05:24 PM |
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joeboy
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after i see the movie, i want be back to this forum but maybe once. That's to see which of us are right and wrong. We are all into scifi and a few are fellow programmers. some of us see more into the matrixx than others. But i think most of us would agree, finding out the end(with spoilers) is not what this forum is about. I don't believe you have seen the script. I l read your comments as all the rest on here. A theory. Even major television shows (HERE IN THE USA) will not see the movie till a preview. If you had seen the script, it would have been on the web. Like every other stolen script.
All that said, your ideas are good. But i still have not been convinced that Neo is a NOT a program or/and that they are all still in the matrix.
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Sep 25th, 2003 06:10 PM |
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capodelmondo
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And love?
There is only one thing that make me so insucure about neo/program.....
His love for trinity...........Maybe a program can simulate a lot of things but NOT love. Not love. That's the only thing a computer couldn'know. I m not a romantic but we all have to consider that thing. A program couldn't fall in love. And love cannot be forced in a human by a program.
Love is the center of all the 2 first movies (the end of all 2 movies). In the first neo return to life cause of the love and in the second trinity returned to life cause of the love.
(sorry for my english but i'm italian)
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Sep 25th, 2003 08:17 PM |
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JKozzy
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Neo probably WAS a human, but with connections from Zion, or the previous "one", the power was transfered to Neo, and it became "activated" when he saw the Architect at the end of Reloaded; explaining why he could stop the sentinels... but I'm sure that Smith (him being "the many") also had something to do with Neo's becoming more than a human, because he can't be a machine since he IS a human and EVERYONE sees him in Zion... but he can't be completely human because of what he can do in the real world and the Matrix...
This is a real confusing topic really, I wish that the movie would come out so we didn't have to speculate! But if that happened, then we wouldn't be here.... so... yeah!
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