I am a firm believer in disproving every aspect of an argument. The problem is, is that h1 is such a hypocritical sack of shit that it doesn't matter. Even if proven wrong he keeps going... and that's proven wrong on a level no one has to go to.
The issue as well is that he says things that aren't correct and have almost zero bearing on any argument as well. Even if he was absolutely right for whatever reason, the fact remains that we on this planet have things capable of stopping ****ing bullets of all nature, let alone fantasy land where people blow up cities and shit. I don't think he's ever in his entire time used correct math either. If it hasn't worked the first thousand times... aren't you supposed to get better with practice?
You could literally have him make any argument he wanted with no opposition and no one on this site outside Board Walker would ever agree with him. He has never swayed anyone's mind or ever won a debate. Even Quan can put forth an argument meant to change someone's opinion. H1 can't. That's not to say he hasn't been correct before, but as far as actually making capable arguments? He can't do it.
It's like Marvel characters scramble his brain so hard that he reverts back into a kid trying to one up another kid. "Yeah well, my dad said airplane bullets shoot 330 million tons of force... pressure... an inch in!"
Fukking what?
It's exactly how debates work. You claimed I lied.
You must prove it.
I can see if you just took the stance of asking me to prove the numbers. But you didn't. Nibedicus did. He didn't claim I was lying.
I produce numbers, you claim they are false. You must show how.
I swear that if someone prove me wrong I will accept it. I have been wrong multiple times. I even ask everyone here to CHECK MY WORK AND JUST DONT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. That includes the possibility of me being wrong. I rather be wrong tbh. Thats the only way I learn. Im getting tired of people using lame arguments to attempt to refute mine. Occasionally you would get a good poster to nail me. I love it when that happens.
Bottomline: no science required, it doesn't seem that Thor is capable of tanking aircraft bullets without damage. I just posted calculations because prop don’'t agree. What's debating if one is just arguing opinions. "Feat X proves that Thor can withstand bullets because of my opinion." That’s a BS argument and you know it.
Normally I'd agree 100% and people responding to that idiot has killed this subforum even harder than Raz's neglect ever did, but I enjoy doing a bit of math to calc a feat now and then.
Though I've thought about it and am less sure about doing it. When I disproved his calculation of Superman busting the shadow moon and provided a more accurate set of numbers there could be said to have been a purpose there. I don't really think there is one here. These days the argument that Thor can be put down by an M61 Vulcan as of Infinity War is laughable, given what objectively frailer characters have withstood.
I have my doubts a round from an M61 Vulcan can kill Drax tbh. Much less Thor.
H1, I would buy that, if you ever showed an inkling that you've learned not to throw random numbers up and claim them as fact. But here's an irrefutable fact, YOU KEEP DOING IT. You've done it for so long that nobody bothers to correct you any longer because nothing ever sticks. This alone proves that correcting your arguments is not worth the effort.
Instead of demanding others to correct you, why don't you do some fact checking before throwing up all over the threads your involved in? That might be a good way to start repairing your damaged reputation.
You are lying again, my first three responses said nothing about you lying and in fact were about you posting credible sources.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Basically I gave the
1. mass of the bullet
2. Velocity of the bullet
3. Distance the center of mass travels for the bullet to be stopped.
4. Radius of the tip of the bullet.
Everything else was calculated using science.
Which of the above numbers I gave would you HONESTLY like me to support?
That the methodology and assumptions that you are insisting apply to the science of penetration for ballistic weaponry and how it relates to real world applications/conditions.
A manual/book available online of ballistics force/PSI/whatever study pointing to thus would suffice. That way, we can come up with our own computations.
Because, I'll be honest I had a debate with some other kid about this around a year or so ago and I did look. Didn't find anything because this is not how they measure penetration ability for ballistic weaponry. They use real world experimentation or simply use simple muzzle energy calculation to determine how effective a weapon is.
Bottom line is this: Vulcan has a muzzle energy of 42k foot-lbs or an RHA penetration of 13mm tops. Which is shitty as the only thing it can penetrate would be an APC (10mm armor IIRC).
Last edited by Nibedicus on Sep 9th, 2018 at 01:38 AM
I didn't give any science on penetration other than pressure, since that's the concept that explains why sharp objects cut and puncture.
I just gave the pressure that Thor's body have to overcome.
And I gave the average force needed to stop the bullet at a distance of an inch.
That is literally what penetration is (well, an aspect of it). Why you choose to weaseltalk is beyond me. Unless you are a troll, that is.
Like I said, a reference manual pointing to the real world application/data that proves your methodology applies to ballistic weapons. Til then, your math is bunk and we would be right to disregard it for the more credible values (that I presented).
No, you gave the numbers that you came up with from your crappy math. Post an actual credible source that backs up your numbers.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
H1 is going by a length of 1 inch. His width is 0.0394 inches, or 1 mm. I don't know if the bullet tip is actually 1 mm, but even using those numbers with the actual force of the bullet... well, you'll see
The diameter is 2mm, so the radius is 1mm.
The force was calculated first, since that is needed to calculate the pressure.
The force to stop a 0.1kg object over a distance of 1 inch from an initial velocity of about 1000m/s.
I can painstakingly show all the steps and conversions if you want.
If your numbers are correct you would be able to provide a credible source that backs them up.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Then do it, show how your way is actually more correct than actual correct conversions. Along with actual measurements from the bullet would help.
I also don't think you even read my post correctly either, nor looked at anything I posted.
In any case, yes, please show us all every one of the steps you took. Show us the source material of the bullet. Show us how you came up with over 10 times the force of actual sites dedicated to finding out bullet ballistics. Show us how you reached 313 million tons of psi.
Actually prove your case h1. Don't threaten it. Show your work. Source your information. Actually painstakenly put in the work.
It's calculations you're an expert on. This should be no issue. And since you know the bullet tip already, you should be able to link that as well. Wherever you found out the measurements of the bullet is highly relevant. Don't tell me whst it is when it's quite important in your opinion, show me with proof.
Which ones would you Honestly want me to back?
You obviously only have a problem with the distance the center of mass travels before the bullet is stopped as that's the only thing you hinted at.
Lets say the distance is WRONG and the true distance is the length of the bullet (which is impossible). So increasing the distance to 4in
now makes the Force 55 tons and the pressure 78 million tons per square inch.
Are these values a relevant difference?
He'll run away or make excuses like he always does.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
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