Sif took a shotgun blast to the hip. Loki was never scarred by a bullet. We kept asking you to post a clip but you never did. You know why? Because it never happened.
You believe Thor is bulletproof, we know Hulk is aircraft bulletproof, we know Thor has comparable if not greater durability to Hulk. Till now, you have yet to prove that aircraft bullets can penetrate Thor
I answered everything that you could possibly bring up that was important. Except none of your posts are actually important because you're making up math, and ignoring literal proof of the limits of bullets. You're also twisting writer's intention and saying it doesn't count in one case.
There is a complete contradiction. We can't take your word for anything because you literally just argued that 20mm bullets have 313 million tons of psi. You argued with people that questioned that. You're doing the same thing right now with screwy math where you never factored in the mass, did formulas that make no sense, and never explained why you used such and such. Also legitimate converters and sites specifically meant to calculate psi don't count for whatever reason. Kinetic energy figured out by actual ballistics experts is meaningless as well.
You're using a big number that means very little when we can simply look at actual facts and realize that your numbers are meaningless. Why is 3000 tons psi important when it can only penetrate around half an inch of titanium? Uh uh... it deforms and the pressure goes down...
I realize what pressure is. However, I don't think you understand exactly how little it makes sense for something with 3000 tons of psi being stopped within half an inch in a plate designed to be at the absolute maximum 132 psi. That completely throws into doubt everything you've just said.
That plate was only 62 tons per square inch. But do you mind actually posting a link that says a bullet goes from 2900 tons of psi to under 50 in under 2 inches?
I mean this is a big defense of your numbers, but I see literally no proof of it. Can you actually post a ballistics link that shows that bullets lose that much psi with a bullet rated almost 60 times higher than the plate it's shooting? That would be literal paper compared to a bullet that powerful. You'd think all those ballistics experts spending their entire life looking for more powerful ammunition would have thought to have ever measured the peak psi of a bullet? I mean, have you ever even heard of anyone else ever doing this and coming up with a number near yours? Do you have any study ever to collaborate your numbers? Why has the army never thought to measure a bullet in this way and come up with numbers close to yours? Why are you not posting extensive studies on the ballistics of a 20mm losing 50 times their psi on plates rated almost 60 times below the psi of a bullet?
You have to realize that no one trusts anything you say, don't you? Why would you ever think you can just get me to believe you when you post zero proof of anything you say? Nothing out there ever agrees with what you're saying here, and your actual logic hasn't changed in the slightest since your 313 million tons argument... only your numbers have. That's not very comforting.
And no, the initial pressure means nothing. All it does is raise confusion. It doesn't prove anything. The actual ballistics prove something. The tests of actual metals prove something. You have proven nothing other than you can bullshit out some completely nuts logic.
You also ignored the ballistics of a gun that by your logic should have around 6000 tons of psi only penetrating 3 inches into a metal rated at 66 tons psi. Completely ignored it too. Literally cropped it out of your response.
I promise you I'm not the one misunderstanding anything, you are.
But you are arguing she should be able to take bullets.
"Jessica Jones should be at least low level bullet proof since her flesh can withstand tens of tons per square inch of pressures and forces."
You're arguing that Jessica Jones should be bulletproof because she can break chains while ignoring all of her durability feats... and therefore Thor isn't bulletproof because... ?
I realize you're not saying Jessica Jones is bulletproof, what a stupid thing to say. You're just saying she should be based on feats. The issue is, she is not. Thor however was never shown to be penetrated by bullets. She has nothing in common with Thor. Thor should be bulletproof, and was never shown on the contrary. Jessica Jones iyo should be bulletproof, but guess what, she isn't. And she was beaten up by thugs. Stabbed. Hurt, etc. Her durability feats are complete shit. All you're arguing is that because she can break chains that she must be bulletproof, ignoring that her skin is still fairly humanoid.
I don't know how I can make this any clearer.
If you're only defense is that Thor isn't bulletproof because he jumped out of the path of bullets and Jessica Jones isn't, then you have zero argument. Also no other feats he has should count... and being as durable or moreso than Hulk and Iron Man don't count either. Because Jessica Jones is not bulletproof.
Do you understand logical fallacies or something? You break at least 10 every post.
Lets follow writer's intention then... again.
Writer's intention was that Thor wasn't bulletproof in Avengers 1.
Writer's intention was that Thor was hit by bullets in Avengers 2.
Writer's intention is that Thor was on an entire island that blew up in his face at ground zero in Avengers 2.
Writer's intention was that Thor was as strong or stronger than Hulk, and as durable or moreso after his powerup which happened after Avengers 1.
Writer's intention was that Thor took the full force of the star in Avengers 3, after his powerup.
Writer's intention and purpose were that Hulk can effortlessly tank bullets off his skin. Writer's intention and purpose is that Thor is at least as strong and durable as Hulk now.
Yet we're under the assumption that again, that something Hulk can tank effortlessly, would shred through Thor in a lower caliber? That doesn't even make sense. Even if he jumped out of the way of that jet, that doesn't prove that a ****ing 20mm bullet would shred him. Those were 25/30mm bullets.
And because Jessica Jones exists - who again is not as durable as anyone in MCU who has taken a bullet - that means that Thor can't be seen as anything less than a pinhole for 20mm even though he is as durable or moreso than people who can tank higher rounds?
And Thor ducking away is easily explained as his first encounter with bullets of that nature. He's not stupid enough to just stand there and take something that may hurt him. There's a reason he blocks things with his hammer regardless of what it is.
"She has feats that scientifically proves that she is low level bulletproof, but writer's intentions are that she isn't"
Are you indirectly arguing that Thor has feats that scientifically prove he can tank aircraft bullets, but because he ducked and because Jessica Jones exists, that means he isn't? But I mean, you're still saying he should tank even 3000 tons of PSI based on his feats?
Get yourself together h1. This is embarrassing.
Because MCU isn't wildly contradicting itself at every turn, and MCU is literally the universe you're talking about.
You wouldn't go into a Bond discussion with talks of how things work in Star Trek.
But yes, sharing feats doesn't count, but using comic examples of characters that aren't even Thor should count?
Do you think all a sun does is suck in its own energy or something?
It put out a bunch of solar energy that was trapped within a cage. Thor opened a tiny pinhole in that cage and all that energy was forced out at speeds escaping the pull of the sun. Imagine all the energy our sun puts out in a minute only being able to come through in a tiny beam.
As soon as Thor let go he was propelled at high speeds. Which means he was resisting being shot the entire time he was holding on as well. Thor being propelled proves he was subject to pressure, not heat.
Also lol at it not being very fast. That was an entire sun in the cage. The rings were like 2-3 sun distances away. If we assume the sun was the same size as ours, that means Thor traveled at least 3-4 million kilometers in 7 seconds.
It also took 4 seconds for that beam of light to reach it's destination. Even if we assume that was for whatever reason 1/8 the speed of light, it was still incredibly far.
But, let's downgrade it. Let's say the sun is Earth sized. It shot a beam about 4 Earths in length in 4 seconds. It made Thor travel 4 Earth's in length in 7 seconds and that's with the beam being cut off. You ever hear of a bullet travelling 4 Earths in length in 7 seconds? That's a lot of pressure being put everywhere on Thor. And that's ignoring the dense material of the sun.
THERE HAD TO BE PRESSURE. It wasn't just heat. Even if it wasn't a sun, the beam still fired a large distance in a very short time.
Even if that sun was the size of a city. It still fired way faster than any bullet is capable of going. And Thor resisted all that pressure, and got blasted like a bullet.
It literally can't be just heat. That's just sheer ignorance.
The character's words are the only words on that subject. If there were intention to the contrary, there would have been something indicated anywhere else that this was the case. There was zero evidence to the contrary of his words.
And yeah, I'd expect there to be flames and burning when he was hit by the ****ing sun that was heating up a forge.
Jesus Crisps.
lol at you concluding that Jessica Jones is a strong example here when she's literally the definition of a non sequitur.
Thank you so much for ignoring all the links and videos and not using common sense to realize that they strongly go against everything you're saying.
There's more I could say... a lot more, but it's going to fall on troll ears. The funny thing is, is that the sun no exerting pressure when you're ignoring Thor being shot like a bullet is the absolute worst thing you argue.
On more thing, but if the bullets would have went through Iron Man like you're claiming, it would have killed the man in the suit.
The fairly thin suit stopped the bullets. And that's from like his weakest suit. I'd hate to think how being shot in the back would actually go through the suit but not hit the guy underneath?
But can you actually post the damage the bullets made? Show these big old holes please? Would you care to post a still or a picture of the massive damage?
Waiting on h1 to cherry pick the response, misrepresent a few answers (to try and divert the direction of the debate), double back some of his answers without acknowledging his errors, post more baseless non sequitur logic and then post semi-answers that don’t really address anything.
That said you basically have no reason to write off the dialogue except that you are butthurt over it.
In any case Ill humour you. Because if you had any notable intelligence you would realise what an insane feat it is to take even the HEAT of a Star.
1. Concession accepted. Taking even the HEAT of that star was a wayyyyyy more impressive durability feat than taking aircraft fire Lmao
2. Semantics. But okay lets play your game. So which has more pressure. Aircraft fire or the kinetic energy from the HEAT of a dying Star.
3. Based on? I posted for you how they traded blows equally. Or do you simply ignore what you dont like.
Also where was it confirmed Thor has some special durability to heat? Last time I checked he wasnt the Human Torch.
4. What the hell? Are you not capable of even basic logic?
Thor was crushing Iron Mans arms when IM was amped 400%. Has even Hulk been able to crush Thors arms.
You are not really proving yourself to be the intellectual you make out you are.
Thats what happens when im silly enough to argue with Trolls.
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Thor wasn't shown to be hit. If he were then I would have conceded a long time ago. Can you prove where Thor was when the island exploded? Because the ground broke apart far before that happened. Thor should have been airborne, possibly flying elsewhere by then.
Star feat is irrelevant.
Thor being close to Hulk in strength is irrelevant. It's called the intention of the writer. Why have Thor run from the bullets if he wants us to know that aircraft bullets will not harm him?
Thor does not have any feats that scientifically prove he is aircraft bulletproof. I'm saying that it's faulty to even argue that route when writer's intended for him not to be.
You used a universal logic that pertains to anything. It's not exclusive to the MCU.
You are very wrong here. Extremely.
1. Thor was pushed with little to no speed when he let go. I stated this a billion times from the very beginning. That proves no great force was acting on him.
2. This is an extremely small star (10 kilometers in radius ).
Actually, the star is extremely smaller than that by just scaling everything to Thor's size. Star was probably around less than 100 feet in diameter.
The beam was very slow as Thor was very close to the star.
The rings were small too.
3. The star was still emitting energy over 95% of its surface area.
The videos don't. Like I said, using leverage tricks one can do work with less force but over a longer distance.
Archimedes once said, "give me somewhere to stand and I'll move the earth."
Jessica used no such tricks. She directly crumbled those huge padlocks casually. Do you know the science of levers?
Lol. He moved forward WITH LITTLE VELOCITY. You are extremely late on this. No one here realized Thor moved forward. I was helping people out by proving a force acted on Thor but that is was small. Thor's acceleration was almost non existent.
bullets because of his other feats while ignoring the writer's intentions.
When I first calculated everything, I told everyone to check the math. That implies that I could have made a mistake. I was trying to be transparent.
Average Force = loss in kinetic energy /stopping distance
Peak Pressure = Peak force / area
Notice why I posted the word "PEAK"?
Because I always knew that the pressure and force decreases over distance.
If you disagree with these then the discussion is a waste of time. The concept is sound. The initial calculations were wrong. I don't want anyone to trust what I say without verifying it for themselves. So I could care less about credibility. I rather have 0 credibility than so much that people don't check out my results.
I explained this to you. I said that the initial pressure just proves AT LEAST slight penetration (Thor will be at least lacerated). I posted a video showing that when metal compresses it becomes more and more resistant to pressure.
That's easy to prove. When the bullet deforms by 2 inches in length, the tip of bullet will have the size of the diameter of the bullet (20mm) or larger.
The area of the tip now becomes MORE THAN A = pi x (0.01m)^2 = 3.14e-4m^2 =0.49 in^2
The force would also be greatly reduced too. The force would probably reduce to less than half. 55 tons would be reduced to around 20 tons.
20tons/0.49in^2 = 41 tons per square inch. But even if the bullet doesn't slow down any but just deforms (impossible) then the maximum pressure is
55tons/0.49in^2 = 112 tons per square in.
The writer intentions where clear when Thor ran from bullets. The writer's intentions are clear for JJ too. Therefore it's illogical to assume Thor is resistant to aircraft bullets because of his other feats while ignoring the writer's intentions.
And one more thing.
There were bullets holes in I'm armor because it was stated to be.
Arguing why Tony is not dead doesn't erase that fact.
Perhaps the bullets angled and did not hit Tony.
Well look at that, h1 is still lying about the writer's intentions.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
With pretty much everyone disagreeing with almost every post he makes, I still don't get why the entire board hasn't blocked H1. Or is that feature gone?
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I'll answer later on even though I really don't need to... like I mean really... I feel the points are self defeating at this stage which is why I don't feel compelled to even respond. You answer me telling you that nobody trusts anything you say and post sources with more "trust me" and more ignoring actual facts. It's so trollish. You think you can talk sense into someone and you forget just how much of a troll someone is.
Lol at "ignore it not killing Iron Man" though. Like fuk me... but I'll get to that later today.
Anyway the big one everyone is arguing about. I did a little research. Turns out the star was a neutron star. The smallest a neutron star can be is 20km. Which means if we assume the distance was 80km (4 neutron stars), the speed of the beam was 20km a second since it took 4 seconds to reach the target. Which is almost 20 times faster than a 20mm bullet. Which means that Thor was being bombarded by the pressure of something traveling at that speed.
I wonder how much the matter of a neutron star weighs and what the velocity of it being propelled at 20 000 meters a second is...
But I digress. Even ignoring the matter of the star. He was still being bombarded by "something" traveling at these speeds. It showed pressure by flinging Thor at a speed that took him 7 seconds to travel 80km, so it could not have been just heat. A literal impossibility.
Him not moving shows his massive strength considering he was able to withstand "not being pushed" by this when he was holding on. As soon as he let go he was flung at over 11km a second though, and that's assuming his speed was constant even though the beam turned off halfway.
And he was absolutely blasted away at high speeds as soon as he let go. What are you even talking about here? The fact that he was propelled away at all proves pressure, let alone him looking like someone dropped an apple in front of a jet engine. How much of a liar do you have to be to pretend Thor wasn't fired at high speeds after he let go?
Someone post the scene, or better yet make a gif of Thor the projectile.
100 yards.
Also my typing is terrible on a computer. Too fast to notice errors. I really should use it more. Again, later tonight or tomorrow is when I'll answer the rest. It's so bad I feel no hurry to answer though.
This is h1-speak for "I am too lazy to provide proof/compute properly, thus I will throw a completely arbitrary, completely absurd number out there in the hopes that I will annoy you enough to do all the work for me".
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