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The two? More like the Adam and Eve of the Matrix.
oh quit griping.

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so neo and trinity are both "the one"? shouldnt the anomaly power be called "the two" now?

this movie was pretty bad.


This ain't the original Trilogy. It's a different version of the Matrix in which their duality (Binary, in case you didn't pick up on that theme) is important to the functioning of the Matrix.


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This ain't the original Trilogy. It's a different version of the Matrix in which their duality (Binary, in case you didn't pick up on that theme) is important to the functioning of the Matrix.
cool. how does that change what i said?

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so neo and trinity are both "the one"?


Well... haven't seen the movie, so don't want to play devil's advocate here, but...

... man and woman becoming one is, like, the reason we're around, you know laughing out loud


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Some bullet time, flying sex would be really hawt.


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Of the problems I had with this film, Trinity was not one of them. Glad she got to be more involved and powerful than she ever was previously, though her becoming on par with Neo as a power couple I did not expect.

Things like Smith having a cast change and how they explained away the original Morpheus was where my gripes lay.


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I've now seen the film 3 times (and I'm obviously very familiar with the previous films) and I can honestly say that it's gotten exponentially better each time I've seen it. Complaints bother me less, I appreciate more and more how well crafted the story is (yes, some of the fight sequences aren't very well crafted, but they get better with repeat viewings). I encourage all haters to re-watch the Trilogy, drop the hype (which is what the filmmakers were screaming at the audience in the first act) and give this another chance or two. It's great. I think in time it will be better appreciated...

(It helps to watch with subtitles, too.)






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I didn't think Resurrections was horrible and don't get what the hate is about. I always thought the Matrix paralleled a Christian ethos. In that sense I was expecting another "One" to show up in a potential future movie. I had no issue with a soft reboot showing Trinity as part of the "One".


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I didn't think Resurrections was horrible and don't get what the hate is about. I always thought the Matrix paralleled a Christian ethos. In that sense I was expecting another "One" to show up in a potential future movie. I had no issue with a soft reboot showing Trinity as part of the "One".


I just really didn't like it. And I adore the original trilogy to the point that I tend to give it a lot of leeway.


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There are all sorts of fun things to think about and to discover about the Matrix movies. That's why Resurrections is not just another shameless franchise sequel...

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One of the biggest issues with this was the cast. Only Neil Patrick Harris stood out as decent. The rest were entirely forgettable. Something the original did not suffer from. Apoc was the only truly forgettable character from the original. Tank, Dozer, Mouse, Switch and obviously Cypher was all decent for what little screen time most of them had.

The new Smith was utter garbage. Yahya Abdul-Mateen II made for a poundland Morpheus. Bugs was OK at best.

I don't know if some of the plot points were bad writing or bad editing though. Like why describe how difficult it would be to get into the tower where Neo and Trinity were held then show almost nothing of them trying to get it. You saw the ship flying for about 2 seconds then Morpheus going into the vent and that was it.

There's plenty of other issues but let's just keep it to...it wasn't good. At all.


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One of the biggest issues with this was the cast. Only Neil Patrick Harris stood out as decent. The rest were entirely forgettable. Something the original did not suffer from. Apoc was the only truly forgettable character from the original. Tank, Dozer, Mouse, Switch and obviously Cypher was all decent for what little screen time most of them had.

The new Smith was utter garbage. Yahya Abdul-Mateen II made for a poundland Morpheus. Bugs was OK at best.


Dude, Bugs is great. She carries a ton of weight. You're smoking crack. I suspect her Chinese ancestry might have been very intentional, though, to appeal to the Chinese market. It opens in China this week.

I think people have way too much rosey-eyed hindsight on M1. The minor characters are fine in their minor roles, but they're ultimately not very memorable either, Dozer, Mouse, Apoc. Let's be honest, that's why they got killed off. Tank and Cypher are great, but they had much juicier roles (I still think Tank's ego getting too big hurt people's perceptions of the sequels). Same with Resurrections, minor characters are good (especially if you've seen Sense8) and more major characters like Neil Patrick Harris kill it. M1's new and fresh concept colored everyone's perception, not the performances necessarily.

New Morpheus and Smith are fine, they're basically just doing their impressions of Fishburne and Weaving. You can't ask too much there.



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I don't know if some of the plot points were bad writing or bad editing though. Like why describe how difficult it would be to get into the tower where Neo and Trinity were held then show almost nothing of them trying to get it. You saw the ship flying for about 2 seconds then Morpheus going into the vent and that was it.


I'm puzzled by this criticism. They show a lot of it. It's the same storytelling technique they used in Reloaded: describe what they need to do while it happens. The Wachowskis use it often. Used in Sense8 and in V for Vendetta also to some extent if I remember correctly.


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Looking more into this film while rewatching the previous ones, I can see why the Architect was eventually replaced by the Analyst, but what happened to the Oracle? Guessing she was one of the programs that were deleted with the previous Matrix purge.. Weak. Resurrections felt like it was missing something without her, thinking about it more now. Seraph I wouldve liked to see again too. He was cool.

Funny thing is, Fishburne wasnt even asked to be part of this film, while Weaving was asked and wanted, but scheduling conflicts happened; so the original Morpheus was always gonna be done dirty.

There are still some things I like about this movie, what with who they did manage to bring back and show again (the Merovingian and such), but film is a very mixed bag for me.


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Funny thing is, Fishburne wasnt even asked to be part of this film, while Weaving was asked and wanted, but scheduling conflicts happened; so the original Morpheus was always gonna be done dirty.


Morpheus died in the Matrix Online. This is a good read...

https://screenrant-com.cdn.ampproje...o-game-canon%2F

And even if he hadn't, the film takes place about 60 years later. You can't resurrect everybody, heh.

And I'm actually glad Hugo Weaving didn't come back. Somehow I'm afraid it might have cheapened the epic conclusion of the previous film and all the events of the first three films if he just showed up again in his usual form.


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Morpheus died in the Matrix Online. This is a good read...

https://screenrant-com.cdn.ampproje...o-game-canon%2F

And even if he hadn't, the film takes place about 60 years later. You can't resurrect everybody, heh.

And I'm actually glad Hugo Weaving didn't come back. Somehow I'm afraid it might have cheapened the epic conclusion of the previous film and all the events of the first three films if he just showed up again in his usual form.

Was well aware of Morpheus's fate in other media, but guess I expected a better explanation for it in the film than what we got.

Feels like the 60 year timeskip was only done to justify why not all of the previous cast could be brought back, but fair.

Then they shouldn't of had Smith back at all even as another actor. I would've had less issues with him being absent for a film than I did with him being recast. It's not like the Oracle where they had to recast her because of Gloria Foster's death.

While a more minor character, I was looking forward to Agent Johnson's return, and while he was said to be in Resurrections with the actor for him being part of the marketing, whatever scenes he had were cut in the final version of the film. He would've sufficed as a temporary replacement for Smith if nothing else.


While I was looking up other characters that didn't return earlier, came across this... I knew Tank from the first film didn't return in the sequels and was replaced by Link, but didn't know why until now. He killed his own career.

https://screenrant.com/matrix-seque...-return-reason/


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Well, this is very revealing (particularly since I'm not well-versed in the trans experience).

It's also not surprising, given the double entendres used in the first film...


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While a more minor character, I was looking forward to Agent Johnson's return, and while he was said to be in Resurrections with the actor for him being part of the marketing, whatever scenes he had were cut in the final version of the film. He would've sufficed as a temporary replacement for Smith if nothing else.


I thought maybe he was just in the background and I missed him. Did you read something about his scenes being cut?


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While I was looking up other characters that didn't return earlier, came across this... I knew Tank from the first film didn't return in the sequels and was replaced by Link, but didn't know why until now. He killed his own career.

https://screenrant.com/matrix-seque...-return-reason/


I knew it was a pay dispute, but didn't know it got even uglier. He sounds like a douche, sadly. Like I said, I think his absence hurt people's perception of the sequels.


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Yeah, the wiki's and stuff said Johnson's scenes were cut, so he must have not been in it too much to begin with. I thought he was one of the agents at the start of the film initially, but apparently not. Kid had some scenes that were cut as well it seems according to some... Maybe that stuff will be uncovered in an eventual extended cut or when the deleted scenes for Resurrections become somehow available. Either way, I see Kid was later trained by Morpheus in the extended lore and became some kind of fighter, so would've made sense for this film to acknowledge him in some way, even if he was old at that point like Niobe.


Yep, especially Marcus Chong's sympathizers; those who either knew about the whole thing back when it happened or watched his unprofessional looking youtube documentary on it. I liked Link as much as I did Tank more or less, but Tank's fate didn't have to be what it was.


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What do you guys think of the top 20 most powerful characters in the Matrix by CBR? Where does the Analyst rank in the top 20?

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