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juggernaut74
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So does this 2nd hand canon material take precedence over the movie?


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Multiple canon sources supersede your personal interpretation of their fight in the film, yes.

Do you also think Dooku ~ Yoda based on their fight in AotC, or are you also willing to accept the canon sources putting Yoda definitely above Dooku at the time?


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As of ROS it’s clear Sidious is vastly more powerful than Yoda


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Originally posted by Galan007
Multiple canon sources supersede your personal interpretation of their fight in the film, yes.

Do you also think Dooku ~ Yoda based on their fight in AotC, or are you also willing to accept the canon sources putting Yoda definitely above Dooku at the time?
I remember back in the day the multiple souces such as handbooks, trading cards, encyclopedia's etc. used to say Colossus was Class 100 but everybody was like NOPE the comics don't show it!!! Man times have changed.

Yoda is above Dooku yes. confused


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The canon system with standard Marvel/DC comic book characters is much different than it is with the SW franchise.

In Star Wars, everything released since 2014 is just as canon as the films themselves.


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In raw force ability they are equals. In sabers I'd say Yoda is slightly better.

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Originally posted by carthage
As of ROS it’s clear Sidious is vastly more powerful than Yoda

How?

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Re: Disparity between Yoda and Sidious??

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Originally posted by Eli Vanto
As of ROTS, were Yoda and Palpatine generally considered as equally matched, or was there a gap in power between them?

Sidious>/= Yoda. They're basically equal, but secondary sources have gone over the moon to negate the notion that yoda is > sidious(one someone culd reasonably interpret from the fight). Sources are fairly split on whether yoda is an equal or slightly below, so the logical conclusion is that sidius edges it.

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Originally posted by Galan007
It's interesting, because if you *only* used the films as evidence, then you might be inclined to think that Yoda and Dooku were peers during AotC -- there was no overt disparity between them that I can recall in the film.

...But thanks to supplementary material, we know that Yoda was far and away superior to Dooku. Same basic thing applies here: the film isn't the only canon evidence we have to go by where Yoda and Palpatine are concerned. Everything counts, whether you agree or not.

Eh, dooku being far less powerful than yoda isn't really established anywhere. All that's established is he's more powerful.

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Eh, dooku being far less powerful than yoda isn't really established anywhere. All that's established is he's more powerful.
https://i.imgur.com/Aitq2PW.jpg
"Yoda is half the size of Count Dooku, but has twice the power."

So during AotC, canon Yoda was 2x Dooku.


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https://i.imgur.com/Aitq2PW.jpg
"Yoda is half the size of Count Dooku, but has twice the power."

So during AotC, canon Yoda was 2x Dooku.

I wasn't aware of that. Still we have a levy f quotes that suggest yoda couldn't just insta-stomp dooku, and I'd say it's supported by the fight.

I'll also add that Yoda~Dooku isn't really supported by the film given that dooku basically concedes the duel. There's also the matter of Dooku barely being able to rediirect the lighning yoda shoots at him while yoda has no issue just absorbing dooku's.

So really, I don't think dooku vs yoda is a good example for your point. Nothing suggests equality and there is evidence they weren't equal.

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I wasn't aware of that. Still we have a levy f quotes that suggest yoda couldn't just insta-stomp dooku, and I'd say it's supported by the fight.
According to Starwars.com their fight was described as "furious".


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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I wasn't aware of that. Still we have a levy f quotes that suggest yoda couldn't just insta-stomp dooku, and I'd say it's supported by the fight.

I'll also add that Yoda~Dooku isn't really supported by the film given that dooku basically concedes the duel. There's also the matter of Dooku barely being able to rediirect the lighning yoda shoots at him while yoda has no issue just absorbing dooku's.

So really, I don't think dooku vs yoda is a good example for your point. Nothing suggests equality and there is evidence they weren't equal.
I think you didn't quite understand what my point was...


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Originally posted by Galan007
I think you didn't quite understand what my point was...

Your point was, correct me if I'm wrong, "You shouldn't just rely on your interpretation of a fight" and then you used dooku vs yoda an example of a fight one could interpret as showing parity even though I don't really see how you can intepret the fight that way without ignoring things that explicitly happen.

I agree with your point, but I don't think yoda vs dooku is a god example to illustrate it.

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More or less.

Just saying that if you *only* used the film as evidence, then there really didn't seem to be much of a disparity between Yoda and Dooku when they fought. As with any battle, it is completely subjective and open to interpretation -- that's just my take on it.

But because of the canon supplementary material at hand, we know that Yoda was indeed more powerful than Dooku... And by a HUGE margin.

Same basic thing applies to Yoda vs. Palpatine. Even if you didn't think there appeared to be much of a disparity between them in the film, an abundance of canon evidence still suggests that Palpatine was indeed superior... So in canon, RotS Palpatine > Yoda, regardless of your personal interpretation of their fight in the film.


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Originally posted by Galan007
More or less.

Just saying that if you *only* used the film as evidence, then there really didn't seem to be much of a disparity between Yoda and Dooku when they fought. As with any battle, it is completely subjective and open to interpretation -- that's just my take on it.

But because of the canon supplementary material at hand, we know that Yoda was indeed more powerful than Dooku... And by a HUGE margin.

I get your point, but irrc, weren't there a a lot of supplementary sources that put dooku as close to yoda? Dooku also is established as a peer t mace often and mace himself is placed on yoda/sidious's level by lucas himself.

Also, his is nitpicking, but while there are complimetary sources that put sidious ahead of yoda, there are many which say they're equals. Yoda=sidious is probably a fair interpretation as well.

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I'm just talking about canon.

Legends is another matter.


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I'm just talking about canon.

Legends is another matter.

Ohh. Yeah I wouldn't know about what canon says regarding dooku and yoda.

Yoda vs sidious is still split between sidious winning and the fight being a stalemate as far as supplementary materials is concerned.

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Yoda vs sidious is still split between sidious winning and the fight being a stalemate as far as supplementary materials is concerned.
How so?

There are multiple canon sources which indicate that Palpatine was superior -- I posted them on the first page.


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How so?

There are multiple canon sources which indicate that Palpatine was superior -- I posted them on the first page.

Because there are multiple canon sources which say they're equal?

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