And, yes, that would/should be illegal. I have no idea how a citation document would end up printed en masse like that without going through any crappy lawyer's eyes. This is the basics of basics of constitutional law which all lawyers must know.
Because PVS was being very dishonest by leaving out this part.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
yeah, as i said it was very long ago and i hope their shenanigans were called out and the deceptive summons amended
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Dropped his quote into google and it brought up a PDF doc showing a template for a Washington ticket
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
that was not in the original summons in question, time waster troll
__________________ Your Lord knows very well what is in your heart. Your soul suffices this day as a reckoner against you. I need no witnesses. You do not listen to your soul, but listen instead to your anger and your rage.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
__________________ Your Lord knows very well what is in your heart. Your soul suffices this day as a reckoner against you. I need no witnesses. You do not listen to your soul, but listen instead to your anger and your rage.
I've provided proof that signing their ticket isn't a guilty plea, where is your proof?
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
it was seemingly intended for the police officer alone to be the "undersigned" with no signature section for the alleged traffic offender, thus anyone reading it at a traffic stop and having a signature demanded would see that and rightly not want to sign it
here's an old scan. sorry about photobucket but thats all i can find atm
__________________ Your Lord knows very well what is in your heart. Your soul suffices this day as a reckoner against you. I need no witnesses. You do not listen to your soul, but listen instead to your anger and your rage.
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Links don't work anymore. So we just have to go by your ".pdf review" as evidence. Since everyone could have called you a liar if you were lying about that doc, we can only assume that the .pdf you linked to the standard citation form was correct.
And it is illegal to force people, at the point of the traffic stop, to admit guilt. You get a court date to argue your case. It's called "due process" and part of your right to a speedy trail (pun intended).
Because Impediment said back to the thread topic, how this relates to the OP is black people being abused by police. George died. Just like this lady could have. If I was a member back when that thread got posted, I would have pointed out that tasers are 'less lethal' options. She was tased for not complying with police orders. If you do not sign tickets, you go to jail to await your speedy trial. The tickets are not supposed to be an admission of guilt, only that you acknowledge receipt and/or understand what you've been cited to show up on your court date to argue it (or plead guilty and pay the fine).
Also, PVS, you were a much more pleasant person back then.
I'm glad that we all agree that asking this woman to sign her ticket wasn't asking her to admit guilt
Edit: Just saw IMP's post, disregard.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
or they could just instruct the police officer to make it clear at the traffic stop that a signature is not an admission of guilt. not 100% guaranteed to avoid incident, but sure as shit better than "sign the ticket [full stop]"
either way, prisons have been crammed with people who committed the "crime" of unpaid parking tickets and never signed a thing.
__________________ Your Lord knows very well what is in your heart. Your soul suffices this day as a reckoner against you. I need no witnesses. You do not listen to your soul, but listen instead to your anger and your rage.
People, as in Latinos and Black people, are also filling up the prisons and many are related to the drug war. Which is part of why it needs to end. We talk about needing racial equality in the CJS so end the Drug War. I could make an argument about the Drug War being illegal, cite the American Civil Rights Act, Articles VI and VII, due it having a disparate impact people of certain races, but I don't have time to research and cite case law to support my positions.
Hey, Impediment, you worked in corrections for a while. You saw the scum bags. What percentage of those people (regardless of race), do you feel should actually be in prison? Do you agree we should end the drug war or would we be shifting crime from one area of life to another?
That's the thing though, I don't know about this victim's background, but for the sake of argument let us just say he has multiple felonies under his belt, it doesn't matter, police shouldn't be crushing his neck and certainly not enough to cause death. He still has rights and our police are not supposed to be jury and executioners.