I want Astner's superpower to be able to waste 15 years on KMC CBVF while hardly participating in any versus debates and not giving a single f*ck about comics in general
It doesn't matter. You would be unable to make any choice whatsoever, you'd already know everything you will ever do.
"It is a rainy Friday afternoon in August 16th, 2041. I enter a coffee shop at 53 Avenue Trudaine, Paris, at 16:35 and order some coffee and a piece of cheesecake while waiting for the rain to stop at 17:14."
And in 21 years this is exactly what you would have to do. You'd be like an automaton, doing the predetermined motions.
Last edited by Magnon on Aug 16th, 2020 at 02:43 PM
Yeah, I was agreeing with you btw (you posted as I was posting).
If I go into the shop at 16:45 (just for variety) I'd also know that they'd have sold out of cheesecake in that time, and so I'd order a brownie instead.
A few questions.
1. Chronomancy. Can you get rest while time is stopped? For instance, say you needed to make up some sleep. Can you stop time and sleep and then start back time feeling refreshed?
2. Peak Human Condition. Do you always stay that way? Do you age?
How much smarter than the smartest human? Limitless pill smart?
Peak human for sure. No major drawbacks, and you can be the GOAT at any sport of your choosing.
Control of time? Oh hell yeah, never late for anything, and never appear to tire.
Knowing everything would make you extremely annoying to others. You'd realize this when you smoke a joint, have a bad trip and become the Leader (Marvel). Tight suit and all.
Live forever? What in this life would ever want you to hang around forever for? That power's the worst.
Telepathy is fine until you find out that all of your friends want to pump your wife. Then what? Yeah exactly.
Teleporter? Hell no. Imagine what it would be like to teleport to spaces that are no longer empty. Double Hell No.
Once again, NO
You still have the ability to make choices, omniscience would simply mean you would know what the result is of making alternate choices. Lets say that someone has the power with a different mindframe than mine and chooses total personal gain without benefiting others. That is a choice. Knowing what you will see if you turn left, or right, or go straight ahead doesnt mean it chooses the direction you would actually go. Knowingnthe cure to a desease before it becomes known doesnt mean you have to choose to make it. It might be that there are downsides of a solution that you choose to make anyway.
Unless the power precludes cause and effect there is still a choice, the fact that you would know the results of each alternative choice in advance might influence that choice but doesnt make it set in stone. Getting in a car at 10.15 and drivinf somewhere might mean your in an accident that kills someone, so you might leave at 10.10, 10.20 or an hour later all with a similar non lethal result. That doesn't mean you don't know what happens if you leave at each time. Hell the fact that you might produce something that someonenelse made is a choice to take that thing from them. Just because you know the winning numbers of every lotto ever doesnt mean you enter all of them.
Wrong. You wouldn't have a choice because you'd already know in advance what you are going to do. You'd know in advance everything you're ever going to do and that leaves no room for choice or "free will". You can't be all-knowing if you don't know what you will factually do.
The moment one gains pansophy their future (as well as the future of everyone and everything else) becomes set in stone. Pansophy is more than just knowing what CAN happen; it means one knows what truly WILL happen.
Let's say you have two choices in front of you. You know exactly what would happen if you chose option 1; you know exactly what would happen if you chose option 2; and you know exactly what would happen if you didn't choose either option.
The only way it doesn't get boring, is if Schrodinger's effect comes into play - i.e. you don't know UNTIL you choose.
To use Stoic's example, yes, you know donuts give you cancer, and yet you still choose to eat them - but this goes FAR beyond that. It's knowing EXACTLY which donut is the one that tips you over the edge into obesity/cancer; the exact date that your cells start mutating (and the exact cell that kickstarts the whole shebang).
So ok, armed with this knowledge, you deliberately undergo surgery and cut it out, and you know if it is successful or not. You also know how long it takes to recover, the activities you do during your hospital stay, the Netflix shows you watch during this time, the plot twists, everything. You know what the nurses say to you, who comes to visit (or doesn't), the food you will eat, what it tastes like, everything.
When you are omniscient you know everything. That means you know what would happen if you made alternate choices. If you don't, then your not omniscient because there are things you dont know (the effects of those alternate choices). Since your aware of them the choice exists, you simply have more information to make that choice.
Lets say for example you know how to make a vaccine for corvid 19 (all knowing). You know that it wont be available (as it would be released without you doing it earlier)until 2024 and in that time several million more die. You can choose to help it get produced earlier anf avoid those millions of deaths. Lets say you know releasing it before six months would mean in 3 generations we will have the next Hitler or Genghis Kahnnand their existance will cost the lives of nearly a billion. You can choose to make sure its released in 6 months and a day only losing a few hundred thousand more. Or tonwait until it was going to be released. Alternately you could choose to create it now and alter it sonit doesnt work on a certain family line.
The idea that your saying you would knownevery choice your going to make and therefore have no freedom would actually mean you are not ALL KNOWING, because you dont know thenalternatives, or about choice. The limitation your placing on omniscience makesnit not omniscience as it denies knowledge and therefore isnt all knowing
You cant be all knowing if you dont know what choice feels like. You also cant be all knowing if you dont know the alternatives. Your supposition re free will puts limits on the kkowledge. Its contradictory. Never mind the fact that unless you also have omnipitance you cant control the choices of others. They dont possess omniscince and can still choose opposite paths which means the choices available to you might change. If that isnt the case than no one has free will, everything is by design and the only difference is that you know that. So you have the exect same levelof free will as anyone else
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
If you are omniscient you will know exactly everything you will ever do. You don't have any choice. In the words of Paul Muad'Dib:
To know the future is to be trapped by it.
If the counterfactual alternative histories have definiteness then as an omniscient being you'd know exactly what they would be like and what they would feel like, but you would still be unable to make any choices -- you would know the single factual course you will take in your life, exactly, and couldn't ever deviate from it. You'd be forced to follow this course like an automaton without free will.
Last edited by Magnon on Aug 17th, 2020 at 03:09 PM
If alternative futures exist, and the choices we make determine the path, then you couldn’t be omniscient because you couldn’t know the future until everybody else has made the choices that determine it.
Alternatively, if you do know the future because you already know the “choices” that everybody will make, then choice is an illusion, and you must already know your own actions just like you know everybody else’s.
What you’re describing is a situation that tries to preserve free will for you but eliminates it for the rest of the world.
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