Another example is when Freeza destroyed the earth during RoF, and was then stated to have survived the kablooey: (please log in to view the image) https://i.imgur.com/vTqlKxe.jpg
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Whis rewinds time, and Goku kills Freeza with an energy blast that 'only' produced...I dunno...the collateral damage of a small missile? (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)
But given that Freeza had survived planetary destruction just before that, we know the potency of Goku's blast MUST have been >>> planet-level by default(collateral damage be damned.)
Showings like that are why we can assume the strength of various blasts in DB, even when there is very minor collateral damage produced by the attack(s) in question... Like Raditz no-selling what was logically a moon-buster from Piccolo, for instance.
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I'm not confused at all. You're argument of averages does not work in comics and it never did. There is no such thing as an average Thor, it is a Frankenstein version of Fraction, Oeming, Stan Lee, etc combined to be featured in vs debates, as there is too fundamental a difference between where writers view the character and the feats they perform between writing teams other than he can fly, mjolnir returns to his hand when thrown, and he can blast lightning.
I say all of DB goes in the High Meta Tier, all of DBZ goes in the Herald Level Tier, and all off DBS goes in the Trans and Maybe Skyfather Tier on the very high end.
Now I keep asking questions yet no one will answer them. Where does Flash (barry, wally) rank in DBZ abhi?
What is his average? Has the forum all decided and agreed on an average speed of Flash and what is it?
Where does characters like Krona with all the Emotional Entities rank? Does he have low showings and inconsistencies to lower his head cannon average down to Freeza level or is he ranking up there with the gods of DBS?
And why are you ignoring Iron Man? Tony gets stronger all the time, arc after arc his modern armor is literally 50 light years superior to his original Mark I which was nearly Thor level back in the 60s. Why is he stuck in High Meta Tier and his continual growth of power cappped there?
If he has better feats why couldn't he Phil? Ignoring crossovers where Venom is Superman Level and what not is there some Arbitrary Rule where company's scale to the same levels or is it just a battleboard terminology to level the playing field and make nice between franchises?
Also Galactus gets stronger the more he eats so he has a variable powerlevel too.
There is no average and there never was. There is no eyeball between two very different fictional continuties, you compare feats and statements, relative character portrayals and unfortunately sh*t posting on battle boards. You are once again ignoring feats you don't like. Kyle has low showings just like Goku say needing to put on a protective suit to survive the inner core of Earth in DBS yet I don't hold that against Goku nor would bring it up in a battle of best vs best.
Superman varies from literally comic to comic, arc to arc, so any version you present in any thread unless specified to be from a single writer is going to be a Frankenstein version of composite feats that is hardly any different from compiling a respect thread.
In a general portrayal MM may have heat vision that reaches one trillion degrees celsius temperatures not found anywhere except in the Big Bang
In a general portrayal WW may be at a level where her lasso is stopping Multiversal beings like the Phantom Stranger.
Or she maybe struggling against a single bullet shot by a kid with ak-47.
There is no average Phil and there never was.
Just everyone's seperate head cannon and cherry picked feats. Thats all.
There are no averages and I will continue to repeat this until the cows come home to you. You're entire argument is based on battle board terminology that doesn't exist. These characters exist to do the impossible or probable week after week and all we're doing here collectively is picking them out of their fictional universes and comparing them to one another. I honestly think it should be a case by case basis. And it wouldn't be crazy if Black Adam could do that if he scales near Superman class beings who have shattered reality, warped entire time lines, and made the universe go funky town like Superman vs Kal-L during Infinite Crisis.
Just recently Bendis had Superman contemplate destroying the Phantom Zone, an infinite dimension above the multiverse in the sphere of the gods. Something tells me Bendis would have probably made Superman use his fists just like he did on the World Forger and his creation mate.
That is true and it goes both ways because the western comic heroes and villains aren't in manga either to get the benefit of less inconsistency.
What does herald level mean to you? I keep asking these questions and yet no one answers? what does this battle board terminology actually mean to you? Bran said planetary level and admitted that's his head cannon. I say it simply means characters that are top tier heroes and that feats can range from street level to universe level. How do you define these tiers?
Probably not most of the time since she has been shown to take out Multiversal beings so the question is can Freeza? Namek Saga or Golden? Please back this up with Feats or Statements and not powerscaling please Phil.
I'm not ignoring anything. I'm bringing up low showing and high showings in the same example like I did with Flash and other characters like Thor. I still want to see where you place being like Flash in DBZ and other characters I've mentioned in this discussion like Krona with the emotional entities or the Upside Down Man.
And why is everyone ignoring the relative power escalation of Iron Man and how he is still held to just one tier and not allowed to progress up?
By all accounts Krillin's DD would have cut Nappa in half, could have possibly injured Great Ape Vegeta, would have potentially chopped 2nd form Freeza in half, etc.
A few of them can probably withstand it. A few others might get decapitated.
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Needless to say, anyone who survives multiversal powers like 5d imp or Source energy would tank it.
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